FORUMS > Wigan Warriors > Is Sam Tomkins a shoo-in on return? |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 862 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2021 | Dec 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| He's not guaranteed a spot and that's a good thing.
Of course, there's there's the interesting problem of Brexit on any French player's ability to play in the UK going forward. Can the club sign contracts past A50+2 years? If they do and there's a visa which may not be granted, visa costs and so on to be worried about.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2795 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Sam Tomkins has to be given a fair chance to prove himself. Before his injuries he was unplayable at times in Superleague and I'm confident he can have a huge influence our performances.
I don't think he's been fit since his return from NZ and his game wasn't the same last year. That doesn't mean he can't improve and shouldn't get picked.
When Burgess is fit will he come back in? Of course he will. Despite that fact that his understudy scored 4 tries and was MOM.
Escare was brought in to cover Sam. He's been brilliant and I hope we can pin him down long term but Sam deserves to be given a chance to prove himself. If he's not up to it, Escare should come back in.
It's a great position to be in but in my view (possibly only mine) Tomkins is a better player than Escare, McIllorum is a better hooker than Powell, Manfredi is better than Tierney etc. Therefore they all deserve an opportunity to prove themselves when fully fit. It's great to have such quality in depth.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 15453 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Bigredwarrior "Sam Tomkins has to be given a fair chance to prove himself. Before his injuries he was unplayable at times in Superleague and I'm confident he can have a huge influence our performances.
I don't think he's been fit since his return from NZ and his game wasn't the same last year. That doesn't mean he can't improve and shouldn't get picked.
When Burgess is fit will he come back in? Of course he will. Despite that fact that his understudy scored 4 tries and was MOM.
Escare was brought in to cover Sam. He's been brilliant and I hope we can pin him down long term but Sam deserves to be given a chance to prove himself. If he's not up to it, Escare should come back in.
It's a great position to be in but in my view (possibly only mine) Tomkins is a better player than Escare, McIllorum is a better hooker than Powell, Manfredi is better than Tierney etc. Therefore they all deserve an opportunity to prove themselves when fully fit. It's great to have such quality in depth.'"
Was S.Tomkins playing better than Escare is now, prior to his most recent injury though? IMO no, which is the difference. Burgess and McIlorum were playing better than Tierney and Powell are now. If he plays well off the bench and Escare doesn't keep it up then obviously that's a different conversation. Playing off the bench may also benefit S.Tomkins as he won't feel the pressure of trying to win the game on his own, he can get his confidence back as a luxury player.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 3787 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2020 | Mar 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Given the injury situation Sam can't get back quick enough for me. It's unrealistic to expect the two rookie wingers to be consistent over a longer term. Sam to be eased in at FB, Escaré onto the wing IMO. The real fun starts if we ever get the back line fit!
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1979 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2018 | Jan 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| People who hammer the standard of Super League fail to recognise that defence has improved immeasurably over time. And this - in my view - is why we see so many injuries in the modern game, that we didn't even ten years ago.
It's highly unlikely that we will see a full first 17 on any game day this season. So it is about having a squad capable of covering any emergency, which we proved last season. Thankfully we have players of the quality mentioned above. I'll let Waney worry about where to fit everyone in, if we have that sort of problem ever again.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 3922 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "People who hammer the standard of Super League fail to recognise that defence has improved immeasurably over time. And this - in my view - is why we see so many injuries in the modern game, that we didn't even ten years ago. '"
Has it improved immeasurably since 2006? I'd say it's got worse myself and certainly not got immeasurably better in the last 10.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 1979 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2012 | 12 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2018 | Jan 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: sergeant pepper "Has it improved immeasurably since 2006? I'd say it's got worse myself and certainly not got immeasurably better in the last 10.'"
No doubt that 'Defence' has improved. The standard overall (attack, defence and entertainment) is debatable.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 32357 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "No doubt that 'Defence' has improved. The standard overall (attack, defence and entertainment) is debatable.'"
I think that the fitness levels have improved dramatically, and because of this the defence has got much better. Teams can now get three and more men in the tackle, slow down the ptb and still get back for the next one.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 3922 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Aboveusonlypie "No doubt that 'Defence' has improved. The standard overall (attack, defence and entertainment) is debatable.'"
I think the defensive tactics have changed, but overall i don't teams are defensively better. I'd argue the attacking quality has severely diminished as has the standard of play. Now saying that if both yours and my statements are correct there should have been a lot more blow out scores 10 years ago right i.e. attack was better and the defence was worse?
That's not the case though is it? So the defence wasn't that bad.
Quote: Aboveusonlypie "
I think that the fitness levels have improved dramatically, and because of this the defence has got much better. Teams can now get three and more men in the tackle, slow down the ptb and still get back for the next one.'"
Again has fitness improved dramatically in the last 10 years? Are guys like Lockers and Sam fitter than Faz and Radders? Tommy vs Lam or Gildart/Percival/Gelling/Moon/Watkins fitter than Gleeson, Senior or Lyon? Or is it just different tactics?
I don't think that when you compare players from 10 years ago to now there's a dramatic or immeasurable difference in their fitness or defensive capabilities. I do think they are coached a hell of a lot differently and play to a system completely different to anything seen back then as well.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 8768 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Definitely not.
Escare looks like the bargain of the season, I can imagine fans of other teams wondering why they didn't try and sign him!
As others have said it is a good problem to have but based on current form I would prefer Escare remains at full back and I hope we manage to secure him on a longer contract asap.
There will be a long queue for his signature...
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 1227 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2015 | 9 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2024 | Jan 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Honestly,one game on the bench for Tomkins and after that Escare will be "rested" don't know why its just a gut feeling the way it'll pan out.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2795 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2023 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
As I said! (For once)! A simple decision. Sam and MM simply have to be given a chance to prove themselves.
www.wigantoday.net/sport
|
|
As I said! (For once)! A simple decision. Sam and MM simply have to be given a chance to prove themselves.
www.wigantoday.net/sport
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4046 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Nov 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Probably not going to happen but imagine this squad heading into the playoffs
Tomkins
Manfredi
Gelling
Gildart
Burgess
Williams
Lealuai
FPN
McIlorum
Flower
Farrell
Bateman
O'loughlin
Tautai
Clubb
Powell
Tomkins
Then the list of back ups!
Escare
Isa
Sutton
Tierney
Sharrocks et al
Best squad in the league!
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 10 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2016 | 8 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jun 2017 | May 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| No, Sam may have to target No7 and he could be
a star in that position. I remember the difference he
made when he came into the side at 6.
Thomas Leuluai will continue his influence at 9 but
he is getting near retirement I think. So there is a
future for Sam Powell.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 4722 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2010 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote: Longstanding "No, Sam may have to target No7 and he could be
a star in that position. I remember the difference he
made when he came into the side at 6.
Thomas Leuluai will continue his influence at 9 but
he is getting near retirement I think. So there is a
future for Sam Powell.'"
hes only 31
|
|
|
|
|
|