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| Quote: cadoo "Forget the players - Shaun Wane must go.
For Wigan to win trophies, we don't need new players - we need new ideas.'"
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| Quote: cadoo "Forget the players - Shaun Wane must go.
For Wigan to win trophies, we don't need new players - we need new ideas.'"
100% this squad on paper are better than what they are showing, and the only thing that holding them back is Wane, with his one trick pony move and lack of ideas, points difference proves that. Time for change |
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Not enough creative players in the team, everything had to come through Williams, Smith and Powell don't get involved enough. Sarginson doesn't create anything for his winger either.
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If you dont want Sutton I'm sure we can find a spot on the bench for him. Looks a cracking prospect to me.
From an outsiders perspective, I dont think it's a clear out you need. Rather a bit of a change in philosophy. A new 7 would improve you, but you just play too much by the percentages. The players you have the ability to play a more expansive style, but its rugby by numbers. Its dull, and it doesn't really cut it against the best.
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Smith bottled another important kick. Hope he's off to Saints next year.
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As an outsider looking in, I'm shocked at the comment re.Sutton. I think he's potentially a very very good player and regularly out-performs the likes of Mossop, Crosby,etc.
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| Quote: Pacific "Like most im now of the opinion that a clear out of deadwood players ath the end of the season is necessary.
Ryan Sutton should be first out the door. I know he's young but he is terrible and isnt developing at all.
Sarginson is going anyway but he hasnt developed despite a good frst season.
Mossop is a bang average player and thankfully it looks like hes going to Salford.
Sam Powell isnt good enough in long run and doesnt have a place in squad now Shorrrocks is coming of age. McILORUM is first choice hooker and Leuluai will spell him next season.
Plus more.'"
Seriously neil, go and post your cr@p elsewhere |
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| Quote: Pacific "Like most im now of the opinion that a clear out of deadwood players ath the end of the season is necessary.
Ryan Sutton should be first out the door. I know he's young but he is terrible and isnt developing at all.
Sarginson is going anyway but he hasnt developed despite a good frst season.
Mossop is a bang average player and thankfully it looks like hes going to Salford.
Sam Powell isnt good enough in long run and doesnt have a place in squad now Shorrrocks is coming of age. McILORUM is first choice hooker and Leuluai will spell him next season.
Plus more.'"
Is this your first season watching rugby league! |
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| Quote: The Yellow Giraffe "As an outsider looking in, I'm shocked at the comment re.Sutton. I think he's potentially a very very good player and regularly out-performs the likes of Mossop, Crosby,etc.'"
Don't be shocked. Pacific likes to stir it up and is not to be taken seriously.
That said, I don't think anyone would disagree with him re. Sarginson and Mossop.
But mainly we need a much more inventive scrum-half. We are terribly lacking in attack. |
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| Quote: Hockmonster "Smith bottled another important kick. Hope he's off to Saints next year.'"
 NOT a chance |
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| Quote: Two Wheeled Saint "icon_lol.gif NOT a chance ![]()
It was certainly on the cards a few weeks ago, but not any more sadly. I doubt even Saints under KFC are dim enough to sign Matty.
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I don't think a clear out is needed. Let's look who's leaving:
Sarginson - Good, bloody awful yet again. Multiple knock ons and not one pass to Manfredi. Let him go now for me.
Charnley out for with Burgess coming in - an improvement (but only if he gets the ball).
I'm going to join the masses here but Matty Smith is simply not good enough for Super League never mind Wigan. Look at the difference with Leeds since they signed James Segeyaro. Smith needs to go but we are stuck with him until the 2018 season.
link: www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... n-warriors
We can't offload him as I doubt any club in SL are daft enough to take him.
With regards to the coaching staff, there needs to be a complete re-think.
Can we improve from where we are under Shaun Wane, I'm not talking about grinding results out as we have been doing. Our defence is pretty sound, can we be confident of taking to a field knowing we can put 30-40 points on the board? Wigan are struggling to score more than a try per half at the moment. I actually fear for us next week against Wakefield.
Shaun Wane's contract is up in Feb 2017, where a clause then triggers to an annual rolling contract.
Either give him some assistance (preferred option) or its time for a change. |
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I don't think a clear out is needed. Let's look who's leaving:
Sarginson - Good, bloody awful yet again. Multiple knock ons and not one pass to Manfredi. Let him go now for me.
Charnley out for with Burgess coming in - an improvement (but only if he gets the ball).
I'm going to join the masses here but Matty Smith is simply not good enough for Super League never mind Wigan. Look at the difference with Leeds since they signed James Segeyaro. Smith needs to go but we are stuck with him until the 2018 season.
link: www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... n-warriors
We can't offload him as I doubt any club in SL are daft enough to take him.
With regards to the coaching staff, there needs to be a complete re-think.
Can we improve from where we are under Shaun Wane, I'm not talking about grinding results out as we have been doing. Our defence is pretty sound, can we be confident of taking to a field knowing we can put 30-40 points on the board? Wigan are struggling to score more than a try per half at the moment. I actually fear for us next week against Wakefield.
Shaun Wane's contract is up in Feb 2017, where a clause then triggers to an annual rolling contract.
Either give him some assistance (preferred option) or its time for a change. | |
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I've said it before but the club giving Smith a 4 year deal was a shocking piece of business by KR and IL.
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Can't disagree with what has already been said. Ryan Sutton should be young player of the year IMO, he's a no nonsense prop with good hands who pulls his tripe out for the team.
I think all we are really lacking are ideas in attack, we seem to have no inside/dummy runners within 20 metres lateral of the PTB when we ship it out wide, therefore the opposition defence slides across with ease.
Add to this we play split halves which means we lose the running threat of Williams on the right, our forwards seem scared of offloading too and Sam Tomkins is still a way off being back to full confidence so at the minute he's a passenger.
For next year I think we need a decent back who can play fullback or centre of needed. Either Matty Russell/Ratchford would do or look overseas.
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Our backrow don't run any lines off the ball. We're missing Farrell and (dare I say it) Joel for this. Bateman and Isa don't bother.
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