For the backs to have done wire over, we needed our pack to have provided them a platform.

Our pack was awful against wire.

We need a prop in the front row with a bit of fire at least.

step forward Jamie. www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/2 ... mie-Soword

step forward Jamie. www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/view/2 ... mie-Soword

Daily Star.....it must be reet

We could have had Cronk and Thurston in the halves on Saturday and we would still have taken a beating. We completely lost the forward battle in all aspects of the game.

As Gorden Tallis once said - "The forwards decide who wins a game, the backs by how many."

Most of our forwards not breaking 50 metres and only doing 6 carries plus 27 miss tackles plus finch was no were near fit added to us getting smashed at the week end not moving Sam to S.O

We needed a Jamie Peacock, James Graham, Stu Fielden (in his prime) type player on Saturday.

You guys are very fickle for me Wigan and Wire are and have been all season the 2 stand out SL teams ,recently Wigan have been the team to beat , probably before Saturday the team nobody could beat , you have been playing very good fast rugby in Shaun Wane you have a coach that hates losing ,a couple of your players didnt seem fit on Saturday , but you will still finish as League Leaders thats my prediction anyway , you have a very good team , some of the best youngsters coming through , nowt to worry about , a Wigan v Wire Grand Final a great prospect , and a great spectacle for RL .

a Wigan v Wire Grand Final a great prospect


Maybe, But not if it is no contest and we roll over again. God knows why they are sh*t scared of Warrington. It's embarrassing.

Nothing new in the Soward story. Same as two weeks ago.
Looks like Martin Richards has been asked for some column inches minutes before going to press and he dug up a previous article.

We do need a rough house prop but there aren't many around.
A couple of years ago on here we were suggesting Carl Webb. Webb retired and perhaps due to the sanitisation of the game players like him are now gone, bar Morley.
Last Saturday Smith had a fully fit squad and a choice of forwards, Wane didn't. SW has had forwards on the sick list with Fielden out all season, Dudson out, Prescott only playing 8 or 9 games. You can't have players, especially props out and not miss them. If Wire had Morley, Carvell and Hill missing he wouldn't have much left in the props dept.
Wane took a risk with experienced players who weren't fit instead of younger men who are. Crosby and Spencer would have been worked over big time by the Wire props and maybe got injured. He played the best team he had and they were well beaten.
As for Sam at 6. Yeah great! He then has to make 26 tackles a game instead of 3. Wire forwards would have targeted him all 80 mins and Sam doesn't have the hit tackle that Tommy does. Played at 6 last Saturday and Sam could have got injured.
Not into the blame game on this one, Wane played the best he had given the circumstances.
Perhaps the players are responsible for the performance, not the coach?

Your right a couple of Chris Hill’s in our front row would have been nice!

I'm not calling for Tomkins to move from fullback but this reasoning baffles me - 'We can't play Tomkins at 6 because he might get hurt'.

Finch is the most important player in the team and the most influential player in the team so by that reasoning surely we shouldn't be playing him at 6 either because he might get hurt?

Tomkins played 6 for a while and I don't remember him picking up many injuries if any. In fact he seemed to pick up more knocks playing fullback!

It's rugby league for heavens sake! You play, you get hit, you get hurt, you get up. If Sam isn't capable of taking a few hits or making a few tackles like he would playing 6 then no way should he be man of steel or considered one of the best players in the game.

I happen to think he's a lot tougher than others seem to, although given that he refuses to return any kicks and always gives the ball to Charnley killing any opportunity to counter attack right from the kick I could be wrong.

Sam at 6 used to make 20-30 tackles a game he now makes 2-8.
Keep him at 1 as that gives him the attacking options rather than him spending his time and energy making tackles.
I said he "Might" get hurt not that he would and that was the reason for keeping him at 1.
Full Back keeps him fresh and able to run at tired men, at 6 doesn't.

Tomkins best game v Wire was at 6.