The main bulk of the money to convert them into a full time set up would be from TV deals, unfortunately I don't see Sky sustaining 20 teams it would need additional support from channels such as ESPN or Premier Sports. A more radical step would be a independent super league channel that has subscription fee's this option is more than likely unviable.

Tricky Dicky, please take no offence as non intended and your opinion is worth as much as anyone elses.

Although I see lots of sense in the post it just doesnt quite work (add up) for me.

As I said in my only other post on this forum, investment is required in a massive way. You dont create investment by weakening teams and the overall standard of the competition by forcing them to release their best players as they can get paid far more in Australia. Lets be honest no marquee signings will be coming this way anythime soon. A world class NRL Half is 600k+

Two leagues of ten are being proposed here, good, I like that part. Superleague needs to be reduced by at least 2 teams, and 4 would work for me.

1.6M Cap for each??? thats 32M required and quite simply that is never going to happen? Thats an extra 10m required for a weaker game. Yes the Top 10 may just about get there but the second tier, really?

I have a difference in thought here, a short term injection of cash option and a long term option

In a 10 team scenario I would take the Sky Money now not given to those 4 teams and divide it amongst those left and also increase the Cap in the same way giving Superleague 1 clubs a new Cap of approx 2.2M This will bring us closer to the NRL. It is then up to the teams to manage how they raise and indeed spend to this level. We dont want teams going bust but hey who can stop that? The RFL licensing system! Not...

I know that this isnt an ideal solution as the second tier is going to remain weaker but lets be honest, we have a small talent pool and its just getting smaller....

The secobnd option and the one I really believe is the answer for the future surely has to be in encouraging clubs to develop talent. This should be rewarded with Salary Cap dispensations far greater than allowed now and if it was it would negate the need for a lift in salary cap allowance altogether, in theory the clubs who develop more can spend more, that has to be the way to go! People say thats not fair on teams who dont develop players but I say yes it is, its absolutely fair!

I would also encourage that each Superleague 1 club to forge a relationship with a second tier club, a bit like Wigan have done in Wales but too a greater degree and use this as an opportunity to a) improve the quality of the second tier by utilising up and coming talent b)develop more players in a higher intensity situation than the current 20s setup.


I am sure that my theories are ridiculous and unworkable to a lot of people but its what I believe.

Have a great week all and enjoy the game friday, a 20k + crowd on the cards, superb.

Andrew

I posted on the VT that we should try to utilise feeder clubs

isnt that supposedly what is happening with the academy changes?

I said £1m cap for the 2nd tier not 1.6m.

That could even be reduced to £800k.

The current cap for super league is £1.6m and the championship is 400k.

The RFL give superleague clubs £1m per year, reducing clubs from 14 to 10 would generate £4m to redistribute to the second tier an additional 400k per club over and above what championship clubs are currently getting.

I think this is a viable option which would allow more teams to operate financially within their means, will provide a far better balance to games and would provide an incentive with promotion and relegation without the boom and bust scenario

Yes lets keep the cap at 1.6 mill so union and nrl can keep chucking big cash at our top players it needs to be made bigger not smaller

The league needs to go back to 12 with a top 6 scrap the franchise it's only in place to keep the likes of London in was for Crusaders but look what happened there

The whole league doesn't work like it does in oz over there your having close games every week and the odd run away and it's the opposite over here which is really boring , Rugby league over here is a northen sport it has worked out ok in Catalan but if you lived out there you wouldn't be flying over here every other week would you?

London need to go they just about get 2k it's embarrassing for our game get some teams in cumbria to merge and bring them through that would work

The present structure is ok for me, we went from 12 to 14 as clubs said there weren't enough home games.
The lack of talent is as old as Rugby League. The number of players produced by clubs here in the north is probably at it's highest in the history of the game. From 1895 and for 100 years Union players came to League in their dozens every year. In 1995 it stopped almost like a light switch being turned off.

We then imported NRL players of all standards and some of hardly any. Only 4-5 years ago we had around 48% of SL players were from overseas. Now it's down to around 25%. That's also with 2 additional clubs in SL. That extra 20% has come from club trained RL talent. In another two or three years we will have far more of our own players in SL and that number will increase each year as will the standard of player.

Three things have to happen IMO.
First we hold our nerve in maintaining 14 clubs. Even if the Bulls disappear a club should replace them.

Second, clubs have to be made far more financially accountable than they are now. Club's balance sheets and their company accounts must be scrutinised to ensure they are managing in a prudent and (hopefully) profitable way.
If we are to have a salary cap then it has to be monitored properly. The RFL must insist that they scrutinise players bank accounts and tax returns to see their Rugby income is the same as their club is declaring as payments. Without those checks, which are not in place now, the SC is worthless.
Third, a real structure in place for youth development so that the RFL can check on clubs involvement in schools, service area and amateur clubs to ensure quality coaching takes place both for the young players but also their coaches.

wasn't the whole point of the franchise system to promote internal/organic growth from within the clubs? Wigan are living up to their franchise by giving the young lads a chance and the average high attendences are appreciating good rugby and the opportunity given to the kids.
Cas/Hull/Widnes etc insist on buying older players and not introducing more youth into their squads. Shouldnt they be forced into using younger player? Im not ageist but non relegation means you take chances on your youth?? Right?? Whats going wrong? Its being policed like interfering with the ball carrier,, and the powers that be dont care or are powerless to do anything.
Didnt Bradford win 3 superleagues at the expense of the youth system? Now theyre in administration and the powers that be want to protect them, why?
Promote youth you numpties....

In an ideal world I think a hybrid promotion/relegation-license 2 tiered SL would be the best way to go. Say 20/22 teams given licenses then allocated in to whichever division they fullfil the criteria for. As other posters have mentioned if we go down to a 10/12 team league some more fixtures will be required to fill the calendar.

The main problem with implementing this now is the gap from SL to Champs is too big. A one up one down P/R system would likely see the same teams yoyoing between the 2 divisions each year. Facilities wise I'd say only Leigh, Fev, Fax, Sheffield and Doncaster are suitable for SL. Where does the money come from to make 6 or 8 more teams full time professional when we have ones struggling as it is?

I hate to say it but I think the current system needs to be persevered with until at least the end of this current license period (end of 2014). Then we need to look at which SL teams aren't performing adequately and also see if any of the current lower division teams are ready to make the step up. Then a proper overhaul can be considered with the next 2 years to plan it, too many knee-jerk decisions are made in this sport.

Well they didnt persevere with stobart

Just 1 Super League with 10 teams, bring back promotion and relegation. For too long now certain clubs have been holding the sport back, Super League is a vastly un-interesting spectacle for the majority of the time. I am sick of seeing Wigan put 40+ past nothing teams who have shown no signs of improvement both on and off the field in years. Its time for a big harsh shake up IMO. If we can first of all get a competitive strong super league then we can concentrate in expanding the game and making the smaller clubs stronger. This will never happen if it stays the way it is.

1. Wigan
2. Leeds
3. Saints
4. Warrington
5. Catalan
6. Hull FC
7. Huddersfield
8. Salford
9. Hull KR
10. Widnes

Sad thing is I struggled after Hull FC. We only have 6 clubs in Super League who can fully justify their place in terms of Performance, Stadium, Youth Development & Crowds. The sport is in a p.ss poor state really.

I like the idea of 2 leagues of 10 with promotion/relegation or even just apply promotion/relegation to the current system. the licensing system is obviously flawed as is promotion/relegation. it just seems that the championship is pointless if clubs cant strive for promotion every season with licensing being the only option. if fans can donate tens if not hundreds of thousands to Bradford to save them could clubs like fev, fax, leigh etc ask for the same and give the fans a minute share of the club. im obviously no economist and i am only talking in theory and have probably many flaws with my ideas but as a fan of a sport i am allowed to dream

14 Clubs without the Magic weekend being a 3rd game of the local rivals, make it a 9 a side comp with some rules about more players with less than [in[/i games under their belt in the SL and so allow some young tallent in and force a rest on some of the experienced players.

Give us a 4 nations every even year and then a GB & France / Northern Hemisphere V's Australia & NZ / Southern Hemisphere every odd year.

Reduce the number of teams qualifying for the GFs but then change the WCC to a top 4 v's top 4 play off for WCC. Let more players and teams be challenged against the Aussies.

At the very least it would be a very different approach to other sports.

The Magic Weekend is a difficult one for me. It is a unique event and brings all the fans together and it is an excellent weekend. I also think they've now nailed the venue. If it is kept under it's current guise then it will bring more fans every year IMO. My problem with it is, apart from being a money-spinner, what purpose does it serve? It adds an extra fixture to the list which could be unfair to certain teams in terms of finishing top/finishing in the playoff places. Derbies definitely aren't the way to go with it IMO.

If it was changed to a 9s comp or something similar you wouldn't get anywhere near the crowd we did this year. I think it should be kept but much more sensible fixture planning is required. Does it need to be an extra league fixture, maybe it could be used for the quarter finals of the CC, 2 on the Sat, 2 on the Sun?

I’m not saying that the SL is perfect at present, it’s not, the pool of talent and money is spread very thin, but I’ve read many post advocating a reduction of teams, suggesting 12, or some as low as 10 or even 9, where’s the cash for this? Clubs as we know are struggling already in today’s financial climate, but are some people saying that they should carry on with even less cash coming in? I can’t see it happening. Should fans pay the same for a season ticket? And with less home games, should people pay even more through the turnstiles than they do now to make up that shortfall? The players will not play for less. When all’s said and done you could be taking away nearly a third of the season’s games, if not more, who wants that? Not me. IMO leave it at 14 and find another way.