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Illustrates the huge problem with Super League that Saints' early season struggles has absolutely no impact on their ability to win the title.

If there was a top 5 or even top 6 system maybe this wouldn't be the case.

If second place is what you seek , then i take my hat off to you...well done..Even last season you could see that Saints were about to sink like a stone...fair play you got to the final again, but were totally outclassed by an average Leeds side...there is no way that you will be in any final this year under your current coach!

Foster was at fault again

We want Roycey for our leader 'cause he's big and ****in daft.

personally im not gloating...............yet

Leeds were in this boat last season, and we all know what happened next?

Stains next four games


Bradford Away.
Leeds Home.
Wire Away.
Wigan Home.



Ouch!

My thoughts exactly. The fact Leeds were crowned champions after the start they had last year makes a mockery of the competition. Cullen was spot on when he said that neither coach will be particularly ar*ed about loosing. Their main concern will be keeping their players healthy.

I don't think Saints fans will be bothered if you gloat, you had to be there tonight to know how bad it was.

yeh...i though about it when i heard Cullen say that........then i thought back to last year...what did Mcdermott say just before they played us?......basically......."im not looking for a win"

makes you think

But it's always a bad sign when you have to dip into the past to find consolation ... as one of your lot said to us a few years ago.

rlOh dear - quite a few are looking a bit silly nowrl

They are being consistent though

The difference is that Leeds had plenty of injuries, along with adjusting to life under a new coach. I didn't think they would win the GF, but it was clear their early season form was not a true reflection on those players.

Last season saints had a poor start but they had the eternal effort of Roby and Graham keeping them going, that partnership has now been cut in half. What kept them fresh last season was the introduction of regular spots for the likes of Lomax and Gaskell. That honeymoon period has now run its course. I can't see where they will get their inspiration from in all honesty.

From what I am hearing from saints fans, it sounds like their worst home performance for a long, long time. It shocks me that there was no late comeback from the red vee, not guts, no determination. None of the things you usually expect from saints.

So far this season they have beaten London in the first game, London are currently one of the worst teams and everyone has beaten them. They then played Salford and were outplayed for large parts of the match, perhaps the Langtree Park first game factor got them through? Since then they scraped a draw against Hull KR and then lost the last 3. Saints have gone 4 games without a win. Someone please tell me the last time that happened!