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| Noble was completely wrong.
Why change a winning team?
Why bring in someone who is absolutely nowhere near full fitness?
A great reward for Sams match clinching try last week
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| Quote: Meyt N Prater Pie "Noble was completely wrong.
Why change a winning team?
Why bring in someone who is absolutely nowhere near full fitness?
A great reward for Sams match clinching try last week'"
Sam looked like he needed a rest. To me, that is Riddell at full fitness. The issue isn't his fitness, its his application on the field, he failed in that regard today.
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| Quote: AJ "So he was, hindsight can't be used to slate the guy.
Riddell and Smith both didn't turn up tonight for 98% of the game.'"
i didnt slate him, or at least i didnt mean to. Sam looked shattered during the wakefield game, i was just meaning that smith disappointed tonight and that was a big contribution as to why we lost.
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| Quote: inside_man "i didnt slate him, or at least i didnt mean to. Sam looked shattered during the wakefield game, i was just meaning that smith disappointed tonight and that was a big contribution as to why we lost.'"
I didnt mean you fella. Was making the point generally before the witchhunt begins.
Smith threw another world class pass for lockers first try, that aside, he was poor. Was back to his own thing at times with kicks and plays that were never on.
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| Quote: AJ "So he was, hindsight can't be used to slate the guy.
Riddell and Smith both didn't turn up tonight for 98% of the game.'"
But didnt Noble make the wrong choice of bench players..?
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| Quote: AJ "Sam looked like he needed a rest. To me, that is Riddell at full fitness. The issue isn't his fitness, its his application on the field, he failed in that regard today.'"
I totally agree, he needs to be rested now and again!! After tonight I think Hock is due a rest.... Can't risk him getting an injury!
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| Wrong move.
Why did Mark Riddell merit a place in the squad after the way Sam Tomkins has been playing?
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| Quote: Babyface Finlayson "But didnt Noble make the wrong choice of bench players..?'"
No, bar Riddell, it was the same bench.
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| It was the wrong decision imo - the kid has played off the bench or the past few weeks, and could have done so tonight so fatigue shouldn't be an issue - if it is ease him off in training during the week.
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| Quote: AJ "No, bar Riddell, it was the same bench.'"
Sam is the match winner from the bench, Riddel isnt, bad call and the result was part of that..
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| We will never win anything as long as Noble is in charge just swans round all the Auses.
Look at Morgan been in charge of Hull K R about the same time as Noble and look what he as achieved
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| No he was wrong again, team selection lost us the match.
We had no craft or composure, plenty of effort.
I think we should ask what did Roberts, Smith or Riddell do that is so good to warrant their places. They are very ordinary Australians and if you add Bailey there is not a lot there. Smith has class but last qweek was very poor and tonight didn't exist. In the first half roberts touched the ball no more than 3 times made a good tackle on Dobson but does not look for work and has no intention of trying to break the line. In the 2nd half Phelps was shattered and Roberts should have taken some of the long kick but left nearly everything to Phelps.
Riddell is doing what, Mcllorum playing great so probaly time for Noble to leave him out after all he is a young Wigan brought up player, which seems to go totally against Noble's thinking.
There is a saying if you are good enough you are old enough and these are young players i.e. Tompkins Ainscough and Mcllorum who have a reasonable amount of talent and look like they actually want to play their hearts out for Wigan. Can you say the same about the 4 I have mentioned?
It must be very disheartening for the young Wigan guys to be left out when they are the 2 leading try scorers having played less matches than the others. If Ainscough can score 17 trys why is Roberst not scoring at the same rate and what is he actually doing that keeps Ainscough out of the side, similarly with Smith/Riddell v Tompkins.
We must be very careful that they don't see the light and look to Rugby Union where these talents would be I think quite sucessful and certainly looked after better than they are now.
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| Quote: terryb "No he was wrong again, team selection lost us the match.
We had no craft or composure, plenty of effort.
I think we should ask what did Roberts, Smith or Riddell do that is so good to warrant their places. They are very ordinary Australians and if you add Bailey there is not a lot there. Smith has class but last qweek was very poor and tonight didn't exist. In the first half roberts touched the ball no more than 3 times made a good tackle on Dobson but does not look for work and has no intention of trying to break the line. In the 2nd half Phelps was shattered and Roberts should have taken some of the long kick but left nearly everything to Phelps.
Riddell is doing what, Mcllorum playing great so probaly time for Noble to leave him out after all he is a young Wigan brought up player, which seems to go totally against Noble's thinking.
There is a saying if you are good enough you are old enough and these are young players i.e. Tompkins Ainscough and Mcllorum who have a reasonable amount of talent and look like they actually want to play their hearts out for Wigan. Can you say the same about the 4 I have mentioned?
It must be very disheartening for the young Wigan guys to be left out when they are the 2 leading try scorers having played less matches than the others. If Ainscough can score 17 trys why is Roberst not scoring at the same rate and what is he actually doing that keeps Ainscough out of the side, similarly with Smith/Riddell v Tompkins.
We must be very careful that they don't see the light and look to Rugby Union where these talents would be I think quite sucessful and certainly looked after better than they are now.'"
Yes he was wrong again, after our VERY poor start to the season we expected better, we got the same old dumb football..11.000 average from now on until he goes.
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| Quote: AJ "Sam looked like he needed a rest. To me, that is Riddell at full fitness. The issue isn't his fitness, its his application on the field, he failed in that regard today.'"
I did not see the gme tonight but not sure who you can say Sam needed a rest he did not look too fatigued scoring the match winner last week.
I did think prior to the game it was a good call but it appers Noble has selected unfit players Carmont for the second week which is unforgivable and Riddell over Tomkins and Ainscough.
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| This was a really, really big error by BN.
I have to say that I remain a Nobby doubter. Tonight for me was yet more evidence of why we need a change. Poor team selection, poor preparation, poor tactics.
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