OK, nothing against Warrington here, but I *REALLY* want Huddersfield to win this weekend.

The only reason is that I want Wigan to have ANOTHER go at them in a few weeks.

As someone else said:
Nathan Brown = Arsene Wenger

That's one of the biggest insults to any professional coach IMO.

'and Sean Long - all the little people'

I may be wasting my time here no doubt get shot down in flames but he makes some valid points on the general state of the game in this country and the fact that the powers that be are nothing short of a waste of time.

What all fans of the game want in this coutry is consistency by those at Red Hall but this is not what we get. At least he has had the balls to speak out unlike most within the game. I would imagine this may well be one of his parting shots before leaving these shores at the end of this season.

At the end of the day its his opinion.

He's perfectly entitled to his opinion, but just because it's an opinion that does not mean it's unassailable.

I would take these latest comments of Brown's more seriously if, on two occasions that I now know about - assuming press reports are correct - he hadn't made apparent threats of violence against players in other teams.

It may be that those comments were 'heat of the moment' outbursts, and that he regrets them. But head coaches need to think about these things.

After several matches this season when Wigan have won well, the opposition coach has immediately come out with some unprofessional statement which has sounded suspiciously like sour grapes.

Personally, I'm surprised and disappointed to see Nathan Brown, who previously I admired, join this list of infamy.

I can't comment on the game at the weekend as I havent seen it to be honest but we suffered this last season when we won games Coaches were quick to criticise our style of play. I think if you read the BBC in another comment NB has no qualms about Wigan being better than us on the day - it was more around the challenge by O'loughlin (again can't comment on it as I havent seen it unfortunately).

As far as I have seen he has made no reference to any other incident than the one above. I think his comments are more on the state of the game in the UK here than Wigan RLFC. If you re read his comments on the BBC he actually says that Darrell Griffin should have got a 2 game ban last year for a 'grapple tackle' but got nothing. He has used a Giants player to further make and justify his point.

Red Hall are just too inconsistent.

While Brown is way way off the mark using lockers as an example as there was nothing dangerous about the tackle - he kept his arms down and didn't hit robinsons head, he was a little late.

As others have said if a player is sheilding the ball and putting doubt into the defenders mind then you are creating a risk that you may get tackled without the ball - as happend.

What should definately be punished is an attack to the head - whether late or not - the incidents near the start of the season by Morley and Carvell spring to mind as examples where the RFL were p8ss poor in letting both off when it was clear they hit the head of an opponent. If brown used these as examples then he would have far more credibility - (they aren't the only ones of course just two blatent bad decisions that spring to mind.......)

His general comments about the leniency of the RFL are spot on I think - it's just a shame he uses such a poor example as locker's tackle as it makes him out to be a whinger.

I remember when a head high tackle was an automatic 10 match ban - it soon sorted out the standard of tackling........

I don't think you will find many friends of Red Hall and the way the disciplinary works on this board. The points most Wigan fans are making is Brown lost the right to comment by advocating his players take the law into their own hands and that he picked the wrong target suggesting Lockers should get an two month ban as an example to others. He's one of the fairest players out there and definitely one you would give the benefit of the doubt to compared to say Morely at Wire where we had a long running debate about his tackle on Hansen earlier in the season for example.

Dave

I'm not sure what the penalty for a grapple tackle is/can be so I'll refrain from commenting on it too much other than to say if the punishment, as laid out in the rules of the game, state that it should result in a ban then he should have got one. If not, Brown shouldn't be bleating about it.

As to the O'Loughlin tackle, there was no case to answer. There was no high tackle, it was fractionally late but, as many have said (Wigan fans, other teams supporters and ultimately the judiciary panel) he was entitled to make contact as he was already commited to the tackle. The only 'admonishment', if you can call it that, that he received was because his shoulder made contact with Robinson's head. Given that he is 5'7" and O'Loughlin over 6', that's hardly surprising! Both his hands in the challenge impacted on Robinson's chest. It was a legitimate challenge that could have, in the opinion of the panel, had a little more care taken. Nothing more. Brown is bleating about 2 month bans for something that is part of the game. No malice. No attempt to injure a player. Nothing. Just a slightly late legitimate challenge.

Now, Giants hat off for a moment, is his reaction that of a hypocritical, whinging coach who has a history of bleating about something whilst at the same time sanctioning genuine violence from his own players or not?

Now, Giants hat off for a moment, is his reaction that of a hypocritical, whinging coach who has a history of bleating about something whilst at the same time sanctioning genuine violence from his own players or not?'"

Well first of all I think you need to read his quotes before posting in future. He is quite clearly sanctioning violence by his own players! He isn't saying that it's ok for his players to do the same as O'Loughlin at all. What he is saying is that if the ref doesn't make decisions according to what HE deems to be be the correct way, then he will instruct the likes of Mason to go and exact their own revenge!

Secondly he [udoes[/u have a history of this as he threatened the same retribution over in Oz when he similarly didn't like the judiciary's decision!

I don't mean to be rude here as I'm sure you're a well meaning and sensible poster, but I can't see the point in continuing this debate with someone who clearly hasn't aquainted themselves with the facts before posting.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

Apologies not seen any of the material you refer to in Aus about his past - you are better informed than me on that one - no problem. I didnt take your reply as being rude at all - I guess that is what forums are for all sorts of opinions.

Certainly no offence meant in any of my comments made on here.

Lets hope for a good game a week Sunday and likewise good luck for the season.

take the lockers incident out of the picture what he says about redhall is true . what ever you do yu know its a warning letter and a £300 pound fine is ridiculous, some incidents need to be punished harder than this and its just not happening.