In terms of fitness, it is to a certain extent. Under Perelini, Saints pre-season conditioning involved repreated runs up down and around Hunger Hill.

Saints were largely accepted to be the pinnacleof fitness and conditioning in 2006, largely down to Apollo's gruelling regime.

Thanks for the tips!

There is a quicker solution, just ban him from that Edwards pie shop in Platt Bridge.

bad coaching

Players should never go for the ankles.

Graham got his own back though as it was his hit on Feka that injured fatboy's shoulder and caused hinm to come off (again). Watch it again in telly and see if I'm wrong!

Indeed. Roby should use his superior strength and size to shoulder charge feka instead.

Watch any games of wigan v saints, where feka and roby are playing and watch how easy roby brings him down.

Feka is just a luxury, one that most teams would avoid. His workrate isnt enough for a top team.

With any luck, next time they meet, Roby will heed this wise advice. I really, really hope he does.

PS: Just in case you've forgotten, it was Tommy L - all 12 stone of him - who easily put down Mary Vasavalu with a shoulder charge.

I understand that confusion often occurs in St Helens when it comes to historical revisionism.

Your spot on about that!!!!!!

I wish we had Mary Fussoveraloadapoo, He's a 60 minute workhorse if ever I've seen one!!!!!!!!

Wigan make 1 tackle in the 77th minute and the stains would have been throwing the ropes over the Joists!!!!!!

Yes we didn't complete as well as we should, yes we did panic at certain times etc etc

But you know what, they know it, we know it, were not far off!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah, I get it. You don't want to talk about it because it means you can't have a gloat without looking a complete dispstick.

And you don't throw your toys out of the pram????

In actual fact, it's a totally relevant point. It means one of two things - either small guys taking big guys is not totally unusual - they're all skilled athletes after all, who've been trained in tackling techniques, or your memory is somewhat faulty. I suspect the latter, because I've never seen Roby take Feka once on his own, but the world and his brother has seen a little chap deck your so-called hardcase with no effort whatsoever.

And that's an undeniable fact, fella - not something a bored Wigan fan thought he'd make up to try and irritate the opposition. Deal with it.

Meli does his job properly in the first half and you would have been zilled.

What was your point?