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Quote: Jukesays "Thank You

The old favourite is ‘there’s an awful lot of sports people taking ill or dropping dead since the vaccine was introduced’.

Aye, let’s just ignore the illness the vaccine has been introduced to tackle. The illness that has not only killed millions worldwide but is leaving many people with long term health problems.

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Quote: WiganRL12345 "Maybe the same approach should be taken for the circa 30% of the population who are obese and pose a significant risk on the NHS regardless of whether Covid is here or not.'"


Boom! Thankyou. Someone else agreed with me. Absolutely no reason for any single person to be obese. It’s just pure laziness and the amount of illness that is caused by being obese far outweighs Covid. And before anyone pipes up “I have illness that makes me fat” no you don’t, you just consume more calories than your body needs. It’s just your illness means you require less calories than normal.

Any person that is obese, especially when they have young kids need to take a long hard look at themselves. They are just selfish. I wouldn’t mind but it’s not even hard to lose weight. It’s simple

There isn’t a single medical condition in the world that makes you put on weight. It’s just an excuse that lazy people make for being overweight. The medical condition may mean you need less calories each day but it’s still the individual that decided to eat a bacon butty every day and put weight on

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Quote: TheWarringtonWolve69 "Boom! Thankyou. Someone else agreed with me. Absolutely no reason for any single person to be obese. It’s just pure laziness and the amount of illness that is caused by being obese far outweighs Covid. And before anyone pipes up “I have illness that makes me fat” no you don’t, you just consume more calories than your body needs. It’s just your illness means you require less calories than normal.

Any person that is obese, especially when they have young kids need to take a long hard look at themselves. They are just selfish. I wouldn’t mind but it’s not even hard to lose weight. It’s simple

There isn’t a single medical condition in the world that makes you put on weight. It’s just an excuse that lazy people make for being overweight. The medical condition may mean you need less calories each day but it’s still the individual that decided to eat a bacon butty every day and put weight on'"


Those who eat fatty foods, takeaways etc and eat far more than they need of the bad stuff pay more tax (cos they consume more and the unhealthy stuff is subject to VAT).

How much "stupid tax" do you think we should bill an unvaccinated person who occupies a hospital bed with covid?

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It’s gone awfully quiet since some facts were posted in.

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To those that think it’s just a bad cold or another flu then how do you explain:

1 - at least 1 million people in the UK now living with long covid

2 - In total, there were 14,102 deaths registered in the week to 17 December, which was 14% above the five-year average. (in the UK and taken from BBC).

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Quote: muttywhitedog "Those who eat fatty foods, takeaways etc and eat far more than they need of the bad stuff pay more tax (cos they consume more and the unhealthy stuff is subject to VAT).

How much "stupid tax" do you think we should bill an unvaccinated person who occupies a hospital bed with covid?'"


You have got to be joking, I’m summary what you are saying is it’s ok for people to be unhealthy because they pay ‘more’ tax by default due to the amount they eat.

On your last point, I thought that nobody was advocating mandatory vaccination yet you want to tax people for not having it? If said unvaccinated person doesn’t occupy a hospital bed do they get the tax back?

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Quote: nathan_rugby "It’s gone awfully quiet since some facts were posted in.'"


If by facts you mean the table that was posted a page or so back then it doesn’t tell the full story. I am on my phone so unable to post a picture but here is a full report from the website that the original screenshot was taken from, check out page 46 of 95 which tells a different story. Go figure…

https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Att ... 505601089b
Quote: nathan_rugby "It’s gone awfully quiet since some facts were posted in.'"


If by facts you mean the table that was posted a page or so back then it doesn’t tell the full story. I am on my phone so unable to post a picture but here is a full report from the website that the original screenshot was taken from, check out page 46 of 95 which tells a different story. Go figure…

https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Att ... 505601089b


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Quote: nathan_rugby "To those that think it’s just a bad cold or another flu then how do you explain

Again, doesn’t tell the full story

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Quote: WiganRL12345 "Again, doesn’t tell the full story'"


What isn’t full?

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Quote: WiganRL12345 "If by facts you mean the table that was posted a page or so back then it doesn’t tell the full story. I am on my phone so unable to post a picture but here is a full report from the website that the original screenshot was taken from, check out page 46 of 95 which tells a different story. Go figure…


Aren’t you proving yourself wrong with the first bar chart on this page? For December it shows more unvaccinated in critical care than vaccinated ?

Second bar chart proves nothing. Because 90% of the population are vaccinated of course you would see more in hospital than vaccinated but we are talking on a % basis.

What don’t you understand?

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Quote: nathan_rugby "Aren’t you proving yourself wrong with the first bar chart on this page? For December it shows more unvaccinated in critical care than vaccinated ?

Second bar chart proves nothing. Because 90% of the population are vaccinated of course you would see more in hospital than vaccinated but we are talking on a % basis.

What don’t you understand?'"


They don't want to understand

They want to talk % in hospital when it comes to people in hospital, and its been explained and proven a thousand times that yes 60/65% in hospital are vaccinated, thats because 10x times more people are vaccinated.
However, per 100,000 there are something like 5 x times more in hospital that are unvaccinated

However
The table provided by WLA proves that the vast vast majority of people (whether its pure numbers or even more so per 100,00) are unvaccinated.
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Look at this (and you spend an hour down a rabbit hole looking at unsubstantiated rubbish and/or stuff that got nothing to do with what you were talking about and by the time you come back there's another dozen bit sof absolute rubbish).
You can't say that the vaccinated are better off because they may have been better off if they hadn't had it icon_rolleyes.gif And end up 90% plus more likely lely to end up in ICU/morgue, yeah that makes sense.

Along with the current:-
That's not the full story etc.
You can't make comparisons because each person is different (btw, there may be something in this, maybe there are more unvaccinated in hospital because they are also smokers/obese/alcoholics/have underlying conditions? But hang on qrent you making out the unvaccinated are cleverer/healthier than us Sheep?).

All the while you camt get a coherent explanation of what exactly they are trying to say without the usual Big Pharma/MSM rubbish

If there is a "More nuanced conversation" to be had then I will let the Scientists/experts etc. Have it.

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Does anyone have the relative figures from China?

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Quote: Jukesays "They don't want to understand

They want to talk % in hospital when it comes to people in hospital, and its been explained and proven a thousand times that yes 60/65% in hospital are vaccinated, thats because 10x times more people are vaccinated.
However, per 100,000 there are something like 5 x times more in hospital that are unvaccinated

However
The table provided by WLA proves that the vast vast majority of people (whether its pure numbers or even more so per 100,00) are unvaccinated.
End of

Next we will here :-
Ah but
Whatabout
Look at this (and you spend an hour down a rabbit hole looking at unsubstantiated rubbish and/or stuff that got nothing to do with what you were talking about and by the time you come back there's another dozen bit sof absolute rubbish).
You can't say that the vaccinated are better off because they may have been better off if they hadn't had it
To put it simply if you are struggling to understand what I am saying is this;

I don’t think there is a one size fits all approach to getting the vaccine, having the vaccine etc and should come down to individual choice. That is why when the discussion of data and stats come up, those stats can be manipulated whichever way you want depending on which side of the fence you sit on.

So, when people whether on here or not “call” for people to get vaccinated I don’t agree with that as it may not be right for that person.

There is also now calls for children aged 5-11 (who are classed as healthy) to be vaccinated against Covid. Not for health reasons as “Five to 11s are probably the group least affected by Covid disease,”

The reason being, wait for it school disruption and mental health.

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