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Quote: Jukesays "Did nothing wrong jonh
Hes been pretty good since the restart

Isa had thebquitest game I think I've ver seen him have, but that doesnt mean I'd come on here and have a go after a 50point win'"


I saw the OP and just scrolled on. It's selective praise/criticism with some - neither Greenwood or Isa did much right or wrong.

Speaking of other guys who get no knocked...

I thought Burgess and Bibby both played well. Burgess showed some good pace to get past Watkins and slip the ball back to Faz for his 1st. Thought he showed plenty of enthusiasm in defence too. Bibby also put a shift in and was almost Davies or Sarge like with his first hit up carries. Great break for French's first try too.

I know others disagree, but I'm struggling to think of any club who could call on quality like that for their 3rd and 4th choice winger options.

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Quote: sergeant pepper "I saw the OP and just scrolled on. It's selective praise/criticism with some - neither Greenwood or Isa did much right or wrong.

Speaking of other guys who get no knocked...

I thought Burgess and Bibby both played well. Burgess showed some good pace to get past Watkins and slip the ball back to Faz for his 1st. Thought he showed plenty of enthusiasm in defence too. Bibby also put a shift in and was almost Davies or Sarge like with his first hit up carries. Great break for French's first try too.

I know others disagree, but I'm struggling to think of any club who could call on quality like that for their 3rd and 4th choice winger options.'"


Another quote of mine from our WhatsApp group

Apart from that dropped ball Budgie been great

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Burgess has shown signs of getting back to his best this season. His pace looks to be back and he’s building his confidence up.

I could see him absolutely smashing it under Watson next season.

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Quote: NickyKiss "I agree he’s probably going. It feels like there’s a 5-10% chance of him staying but every so often those sort of chances come in. I think we just need to presume he’s going and work on anything else being a bonus.

What amazes me with French is that he’s struggled to hold a spot in the NRL. It’s a crazy league the NRL. There is so much quality in it but there’s also a number of players who seem to have stolen a living and then a number of players like French who seem to just get left out in the cold when they’re freakish athletes.'"


I’m going to come in with an unpopular opinion here. But I don’t think French is good enough for NRL. He isn’t particularly skilful in terms of passing/kicking. He’s very fast and has a great step, but he isn’t the biggest/strongest and defences are generally better in the NRL than Super League.

I think he’s at his level right now if I’m honest. I see him as someone like a Amos Roberts or George Carmont who were never top NRL players, but were excellent in Super League.

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Quote: JWarriors "I’m going to come in with an unpopular opinion here. But I don’t think French is good enough for NRL. He isn’t particularly skilful in terms of passing/kicking. He’s very fast and has a great step, but he isn’t the biggest/strongest and defences are generally better in the NRL than Super League.

I think he’s at his level right now if I’m honest. I see him as someone like a Amos Roberts or George Carmont who were never top NRL players, but were excellent in Super League.'"


Completely agree with this . Also don’t think he would shine in a tight playoff game / final . Hope I’m proven wrong.

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Quote: Jukesays "Did nothing wrong jonh
Hes been pretty good since the restart

Isa had thebquitest game I think I've ver seen him have, but that doesnt mean I'd come on here and have a go after a 50point win'"


Can we at least have a go at BFUT?

I know it was his first game back but still...

5 carries for 30 metres
18 tackles, 2 missed

Compares to Bullock:
13 carries for 134 metres
23 tackles, 0 missed

And Singleton (first start since March):
13 carries for 70 metres
25 tackles, 2 missed

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Quote: Wigg'n "Can we at least have a go at BFUT?

I know it was his first game back but still...

5 carries for 30 metres
18 tackles, 2 missed

Compares to Bullock

I'm under orders to lay off BFUT
Hes been seen posting a picture with a t-shirt that says "End Hate crime" and think hes aimingnthat at me.
Don't forget he pressured the kicker for the French try icon_wink.gif

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Quote: NickyKiss "It was encouraging to hear Lammy say we’re not giving up on keeping him. It sounded like we still think there’s a chance and I really hope there is. He is sublime and as Wigan fans we’ve not had enough opportunities to watch him in the flesh. I know it’s ridiculous but I can’t help wonder if we could come to some sort of arrangement that allows him to have a few weeks at home mid season. That feels ridiculous typing it but if there are ways if facilitating him staying, we’d be daft not to look at them.'"


For me, French confirmed he'd signed for Parra in his post-match interview. Absolute textbook example of how to lie and dodge a question badly.

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Quote: Wigg'n "Can we at least have a go at BFUT?

I know it was his first game back but still...

5 carries for 30 metres
18 tackles, 2 missed

Compares to Bullock

Do you know how many minutes our props did?

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Quote: JWarriors "I’m going to come in with an unpopular opinion here. But I don’t think French is good enough for NRL. He isn’t particularly skilful in terms of passing/kicking. He’s very fast and has a great step, but he isn’t the biggest/strongest and defences are generally better in the NRL than Super League.

I think he’s at his level right now if I’m honest. I see him as someone like a Amos Roberts or George Carmont who were never top NRL players, but were excellent in Super League.'"


Depends what you mean by ‘good enough for the NRL’. If you mean good enough as in good enough to play in the NRL, then he’s more than good enough. If you mean good enough as in would he terrorise teams like last night, then he’s probably not but not many are. What I never like to buy in to is this opinion that some British fans seem to have (I’m not saying you’re one by the way) that the NRL is full of super humans and that there are very few players over here who could manage to play in that competition. It really isn’t and we’ve seen plenty of examples recently of decent superleague players going over and excelling. Guys like Sutton, Hodgson, Cooper, Whitehead etc weren’t considered top players in their positions over here but all have smashed it in the NRL.

Going back to French, it may be as a winger or it may be at fullback but the guy has more than enough talent to hold a place in the NRL. Why he didn’t before stumps me. Maybe he lost confidence, maybe he’s just developed his game now or he may just have realised what he’s give up and has buckled down but I’ve seen some real average lads playing on the wings in the NRL this year and he’d walk in ahead of those guys. You compare him to Carmont and Amos Roberts and it’s probably a good comparison (especially Roberts) but you ask could he play in the NRL? Well both of those guys did and to a good standard, so French like those two could as well. Just checked and Amos Roberts scored 108 try’s in 177 NRL games so I wouldn’t downplay what a good player he was over there.

He is better suited to this league though and fingers crossed we pull off a miracle and keep him.

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Quote: JWarriors "I’m going to come in with an unpopular opinion here. But I don’t think French is good enough for NRL. He isn’t particularly skilful in terms of passing/kicking. He’s very fast and has a great step, but he isn’t the biggest/strongest and defences are generally better in the NRL than Super League.

I think he’s at his level right now if I’m honest. I see him as someone like a Amos Roberts or George Carmont who were never top NRL players, but were excellent in Super League.'"


Roberts was a top NRL player

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Quote: NickyKiss "Depends what you mean by ‘good enough for the NRL’. If you mean good enough as in good enough to play in the NRL, then he’s more than good enough. If you mean good enough as in would he terrorise teams like last night, then he’s probably not but not many are. What I never like to buy in to is this opinion that some British fans seem to have (I’m not saying you’re one by the way) that the NRL is full of super humans and that there are very few players over here who could manage to play in that competition. It really isn’t and we’ve seen plenty of examples recently of decent superleague players going over and excelling. Guys like Sutton, Hodgson, Cooper, Whitehead etc weren’t considered top players in their positions over here but all have smashed it in the NRL.

Going back to French, it may be as a winger or it may be at fullback but the guy has more than enough talent to hold a place in the NRL. Why he didn’t before stumps me. Maybe he lost confidence, maybe he’s just developed his game now or he may just have realised what he’s give up and has buckled down but I’ve seen some real average lads playing on the wings in the NRL this year and he’d walk in ahead of those guys. You compare him to Carmont and Amos Roberts and it’s probably a good comparison (especially Roberts) but you ask could he play in the NRL? Well both of those guys did and to a good standard, so French like those two could as well. Just checked and Amos Roberts scored 108 try’s in 177 NRL games so I wouldn’t downplay what a good player he was over there.

He is better suited to this league though and fingers crossed we pull off a miracle and keep him.'"


I think he'd struggle if they stick him on the wing - he'd be physically out matched by bigger and stronger players. It's almost a pre-requisite to be a man mountain on the wing over there. I think Iv seen reports/interviews saying he was frustrated being picked on the wing and he was always looking for a chance to play fullback. He also got slated for one particular performance where he only made one or two carries in the whole game.

Pick him at full back and he'll stand out even in the NRL but it would be a risk to go to Parramatta knowing who he has to displace. If he doesnt start well he might end up getting stuck out on the wing again.

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Sublimely awesome last night, Powell MoM for me, Just a shame Lockers will come back next week for 17 minutes, give 3 headshots and a knock on thus disrupting the fantastic work the boys have put in, Just as we start moving forward he pulls us back down

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Quote: The Whiffy Kipper "Sublimely awesome last night, Powell MoM for me, Just a shame Lockers will come back next week for 17 minutes, give 3 headshots and a knock on thus disrupting the fantastic work the boys have put in, Just as we start moving forward he pulls us back down'"



Why?
Why?
Why?

Why could you not just give the team some credit in your post without having to mention SOL. Just this once would have been nice. Your continuous obsession around him is embarrassing mate, I'm embarrassed for you. I'm convinced you're a troll.

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Quote: The Whiffy Kipper "Sublimely awesome last night, Powell MoM for me, Just a shame Lockers will come back next week for 17 minutes, give 3 headshots and a knock on thus disrupting the fantastic work the boys have put in, Just as we start moving forward he pulls us back down'"


Not getting involved in your usual attempts on trying to get a rise from people on Lockers but I’ve probably got to the point of agreeing that I’d leave him out now unless he covered for injuries. He’s played 20-30 mins a game when he’s been fit, had a mare in the semi final and even on limited minutes, he’s picked up a couple more injuries. It’s too much of a risk to pick him because in these end of season games you don’t want to play with 16 men.

My starting pack now would be the one from last night, so it’s just the make up of the bench that needs thinking about. We know what our first choice 1-7 will be if they’re all fit and we know Clubb will be on the bench, so there are 3 spots left if Lockers is out.

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Gold Coast24-16Parramatta
Fri 12th Jul
NRL 19 Cronulla58-6Wests
SL 17 LondonB20-34Castleford
WSL2024 8 WiganW12-16St.HelensW
SL 17 Wigan16-12St.Helens
Thu 11th Jul
NRL 19 Dolphins36-28Souths
SL 17 Warrington30-18Leeds
Sun 7th Jul
NRL 18 Sydney42-12St.George
NRL 18 Canberra12-16Newcastle
SL 16 Salford22-20Hull FC
CH 14 Dewsbury16-20Doncaster
CH 14 Featherstone66-0Whitehaven
CH 14 Swinton24-12Widnes
CH 14 Wakefield34-12Batley
CH 14 York54-12Barrow
L1 14 Newcastle0-44Workington
L1 14 Crusaders18-32Midlands
L1 14 Keighley20-20Rochdale
WSL2024 7 Wire W10-32Hudds W
WSL2024 7 York V44-0BarrowW
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 16 443 182 261 28
Warrington 17 436 231 205 24
St.Helens 17 441 186 255 22
Hull KR 16 397 217 180 22
Salford 16 317 308 9 22
Catalans 16 304 234 70 20
 
Leeds 17 309 316 -7 18
Huddersfield 16 298 365 -67 12
Leigh 15 270 250 20 11
Castleford 17 280 455 -175 11
Hull FC 16 218 496 -278 4
LondonB 17 176 649 -473 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 14 520 154 366 28
Sheffield 14 382 217 165 22
Bradford 14 353 230 123 19
Toulouse 13 344 186 158 17
Widnes 14 327 269 58 15
Featherstone 14 396 283 113 14
 
Doncaster 14 257 341 -84 13
York 15 339 305 34 12
Batley 14 217 320 -103 12
Swinton 14 284 344 -60 10
Halifax 14 270 405 -135 10
Whitehaven 14 266 424 -158 10
Barrow 13 215 393 -178 10
Dewsbury 15 184 439 -255 2
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