You are just proving my point here.

Flower hitting Hohia isn't "tactics" yet here you and several others are saying you are happy these "tactics" cost Wigan a match.

It is a ridiculous conclusion to draw.

the warrington game took it out of you.

I wonder if he gave them free rein to knock people out, be reckless and create mayhem tonight....

It took Micky Mac out which was significant but without Flowers idiocy I think we would have won pretty comfortably.

You'd have won easy. Even a man down you were the better team. Makes the defeat all the more hilarious, you basically took a super league title and chucked it down the drain.

Love the fact Stains could create an overlap outwide with a man advantage. They probably deserved to win, but how many breaks did they make? Gutted but we played brilliant with 12 men

There is no doubt that Flower assaulting Hohaia was a turning point. It's a professional sport and the guy would no doubt get a couple months inside if he acted like that off the pitch as Jamie Peacock said on Twitter.Hope Flower gets a lengthy ban!

But in simple terms the Saints player he knocked out didn't feature again in the match either and he was one of their few experienced pivots.

Roby was great and Wigan were beaten by a Saints team missing several of its top players! I knew Wigan supporters would come out with 'if we'd had 13 on the pitch....'

Well done Saints you deserved it!

Yes we had loads of old players. Wello is defo 30+, LMS is past 25, Lance is around 30, oh hang on, we can't count him as he was taken out of the game by that insane thug Flower. Pretty much like he took out Gaz O'Brien at Langtree Park last year only worse as he also kept going once he'd already knocked him unconcious. The rest are all pretty young, but obviously not as young as your toddlers.

Saints made 1 break against Wigan's 6 , tackle busts were even with 19 each. This suggest Saints had to resort even more to a forward game, it would have been great if we could have had Lomax, Walsh, Wilkin and Lance playing.

I wasn't trying to make a comment about the age of Saint's players, I was just saying Wigan have a good foundation right now.

I think the result would have been the same either way pal, your thick prop took out saints only playmaker, they bet you tonight with a second rower and a over the hill fullback as halfs and to top it off a prop playing for 78 minutes. Best team won I think

Dave maybe what you say is right about no Wigan players being sent off this season, but what must get other fans backs up is Wane going on record that Wigan will do what thet have to do to get an advantage ( the recent behind the scenes showing Wane saying what tactics he expexts Wigan players to resort to hurt other teams.
Also what am having trouble coming to terms with is that Wane or no Wigan player came up before the camera in the post match interviews.

never mind fellas, there's always next year. Puts Benny's minor discretion in 2013 into perspective.

This is a gloating thread and ho boy am I gloating.You have a coach that is very limited in his tactics........NO PLAN B.