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| I do actually think the coach is currently the main issue.
I feel he's misjudged how structured we were in attack and gone to another extreme, which has caused chaos with the attack. The proof is in the play; no one knows what they're doing in attack, you can see this clearly with the lines the players are running and how the half backs are operating. I honestly feel only subtle changes needed to be made to allow the halves more creative freedom in the right positions of the pitch.
However, I think Wane knew his players, and exactly what was needed, last season our main creative spark was Sam Tomkins, Wane knew he didn't had a 6 and or 7 who had the organisational skills and creative brain to run the show. So Wane had the team very well organised, some say structured, but look how we played, we had a left pivot and a right pivot, with Tomkins linking up as a second pivot out wide to create.
This worked.
We don't have the halves to play a creative game led by the halves. Samutt, albeit a livewire isn't the man for the job. Williams at times can be, but at times is a headless chicken.
for me we now have 2 options.
1) revert to a more structured game
2) invest in quality in the right parts of the pitch.
What do I believe we need?
Leaders in the right positions.
Investment into a top half. James Maloney is talking up a move to SL, put him on marquee, he's perfect to control the team, get the most out of Williams and Hardaker.
As much as I've defended Powell; I'd honestly like to free up space offloading Sammut, Powell and Tommy. I know about contracts etc, but I feel it's about time we had a scooting dynamic 9, or even try George as a 9.
We also need a pack leader, I know we have Lockers, but have you ever seen him lay the law down? We need that fight.
a controlling half will lead, giving the centres and back row direction. a pack leader with see we're in the fight.
Time IL and KR realised said players aren't currently in our team.
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| The problem with the argument that Williams should be allowed to go and fulfill his dreams in Aus doesn't help our situation one bit. How do we stem this floodtide of players wanting to leave if we don't demand prohibitive transfer fees?
George's career is stagnating because he's not focussing and not trying, not because he's at Wigan.
The lad is two years into a four-year contract, which he willingly signed. He should therefore act like a real pro and see it through ... and if he sulks, he should be dropped. I hear the argument that there's no one else, but we might as well have had no one at 6 yesterday.
This is a mess, but I don't see how massaging the super-egos of underachieving prima-donnas will turn things around.
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| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"The problem with the argument that Williams should be allowed to go and fulfill his dreams in Aus doesn't help our situation one bit. How do we stem this floodtide of players wanting to leave if we don't demand prohibitive transfer fees?
George's career is stagnating because he's not focussing and not trying, not because he's at Wigan.
The lad is two years into a four-year contract, which he willingly signed. He should therefore act like a real pro and see it through ... and if he sulks, he should be dropped. I hear the argument that there's no one else, but we might as well have had no one at 6 yesterday.
This is a mess, but I don't see how massaging the super-egos of underachieving prima-donnas will turn things around.'"
I highly doubt he is sulking. Where does this allegation come from, off here? The fact his defence is still rock solid and he is willing to make try saving tackles on bigger men tells me that he is not approaching games half hearted. If that were the case his defence would also be lacking and it isnt.
The problem is not Williams as ive said time and time again. Its those around him that are not running the right lines. If you watch any top coach explain an attacking move, they always point out the importance of the runners taking a step to the left or right, a lead runner or a player changing direction at the last minute. Its all about player movement. We very rarely have anything but a straight attacking line with the fullback out the back. Its all too telepathic and easy for the defence to read. People then blame Williams because he cant 'magic' a pass to a player in space.
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| Quote The_Enforcer="The_Enforcer"The time has come for sentiment to go out of the window. Edwards must clarify his position and if he doesnt want to come just write him off and either let Lam have the job full time with a new squad or bring in a new coach. All this Edwards malarkey is pathetic.
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Escare - A luxury that we cant afford in the salary cap era
One of Marshall/Davies/Burgess or Manfredi. We do not need 4 first choice wingers.
Sammut - Embarrassing signing
Tommy - Past it
Clubb - Never really had it/past it
Gildart - not big enough
Farrell or Greenwood - Take your pick, we cant have two second rows on big money that can only play down the left.
Powell - Not good enough in attack
Hamlin - What exactly is his position? Hes too small for prop and doesnt have the handling for 13.
Tautai - A dozen good games in how many years?
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A big, strong running centre that can punch holes
A world class halfback - This is a must, most important position in team.
2 big tough, aggressive props with experience
A second row that can play down the right and has decent size.
A Hooker that can actually do more than just just tackle and pass the ball.'"
I stopped taking you seriously when you had Burgess, Manfredi, Greenwood, Farrell, Hamlin and Gildart on the OUT list. Talk about OTT hysteria 
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| Quote 100% Warrior="100% Warrior"I stopped taking you seriously when you had Burgess, Manfredi, Greenwood, Farrell, Hamlin and Gildart on the OUT list. Talk about OTT hysteria
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What part of [i[uOne of Marshall/Davies/Burgess or Manfredi. We do not need 4 first choice wingers.
Farrell or Greenwood - Take your pick, we cant have two second rows on big money that can only play down the left.[/u[/i do you not understand?
Gildart is too small and thats my opinion and Hamlin seems to have no position in which he looks likely to ever nail down as his own.
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| Quote The_Enforcer="The_Enforcer"What part of [i[uOne of Marshall/Davies/Burgess or Manfredi. We do not need 4 first choice wingers.
Farrell or Greenwood - Take your pick, we cant have two second rows on big money that can only play down the left.[/u[/i do you not understand?
Gildart is too small and thats my opinion and Hamlin seems to have no position in which he looks likely to ever nail down as his own.'"
No but we need back up wingers that are up to it.
Farrell is a superb player, Greenwood is a superb player. They can both play on the same pitch at the same time. Why on earth do you want to get rid of one of them? Because ones adjusting to playing on the right and not off GW? Come off it man.
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| Quote 100% Warrior="100% Warrior"No but we need back up wingers that are up to it.
Farrell is a superb player, Greenwood is a superb player. They can both play on the same pitch at the same time. Why on earth do you want to get rid of one of them? Because ones adjusting to playing on the right and not off GW? Come off it man.'"
We have such a production line though, sorry to have 4 basically first choice wingers in the squad is a luxury, one sadly needs to be sacrificed
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| Quote hengirl="hengirl"We have such a production line though, sorry to have 4 basically first choice wingers in the squad is a luxury, one sadly needs to be sacrificed'"
Correct, 4 first choice wingers is ridiculous. Id even stretch to losing 2 of them if it meant we could bring in more quality in other positions. Most other teams only have 2 first choice wingers and rely on others filling in in the event of injury.
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| Quote 100% Warrior="100% Warrior"No but we need back up wingers that are up to it.
Farrell is a superb player, Greenwood is a superb player. They can both play on the same pitch at the same time. Why on earth do you want to get rid of one of them? Because ones adjusting to playing on the right and not off GW? Come off it man.'"
They are both left sided players. Not all players can pass to the right accurately and ive seen nothing to suggest Farrell can. Even his running looks awkward on the right. I like Farrell and i like Greenwood but just because they are both good players does not mean they can fit into the same system.
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| Quote hengirl="hengirl"We have such a production line though, sorry to have 4 basically first choice wingers in the squad is a luxury, one sadly needs to be sacrificed'"
When were all four available though? How many would you get rid of and which one(s)?
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"When were all four available though? How many would you get rid of and which one(s)?'"
I would sacrifice either Davies or Marshall,in this salary cap era no club can afford to have 4 first choice on their books, not when a club produces them so often as Wigan do, its an embarrassment of riches to be honest.
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| Quote hengirl="hengirl"I would sacrifice either Davies or Marshall,in this salary cap era no club can afford to have 4 first choice on their books, not when a club produces them so often as Wigan do, its an embarrassment of riches to be honest.'"
I'm not sure about an embarrassment of riches. I'd call it the only area on the pitch where we've got decent back-up.
If we're honest, neither Marshal nor Davies are the first-team standard we all want. But they are pretty useful, and isn't that what you need in your back-up staff, especially when your actual first-choicers are injured as often as Manfredi and Burgess are?
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