we will never know as Hock blew it

We don't seem to score many tries from high kicks anymore. Can't work out if it's because our wingers aren't great in that respect, or if it's because our halves can't stick up kicks like that.

The Aussies respected and feared Hock. They dont know who Joel is.

Odd, really. In the NRL, it's the way Fusitua, Rapana, Ferguson etc score half their tries. And three of our four wingers are fairly tall.

Purely because we have halves that can't kick that well, high kicks and long range kicks are mostly average to poor. Burgess & Manfredi would be very effective with a half who could put up good high kicks.

Personally I prefer tries to scored from smart moves passing etc but I will accept some tries from kicks

The problem is that too many of our players think in-play kicking is all about the Hail Mary Ball, when in fact it requires a lot more forethought and finesse than that.

Even George, who, though on occasion he produces something wonderful, misses the mark 7 times out of 10, which is a poor rate of return.

I'm loath to say this, but two of the most big-headed players ever to walk on a field - Lee Briers at Wire and Tommy Martyn at Saints - were both excellent close-in kickers, and way better at it than anyone we've currently got.

The same Jordan James that scored the same amount of tries as Stuart Fielden in 6 games compared to Fieldens 6 years, JJ gave excellent value for money, Where as Fielden stole a living after his first 2 seasons

Agreed Jordan James looked a promising player and had he stopped would have done well imp

Oh i see, so by your logic Jordan James was better than Andy Platt, Craig Smith and Kelvin Skerrett. In fact, by your logic, Jordan James is possibly the best prop to ever play for Wigan in the modern era.

Ok folks, we have a new way of determining how good prop forwards are. Just count the numbers of tries they have scored.

OOOOH have I hit a nerve, was Fielden your most favourite player of all time, 3 tries in 6 seasons is abysmal for a top grade prop

Craig Smith scored 3 tries between 95 and 01. At the time of joining Wigan he was considered by many to be the 2nd best prop in the world behind Shane Webke. According to your backwards logic, Jordan James was a better player









Shane Webke scored 18 tries in 11 years for Brisbane

Jordan James scored 16 tries in 3 years for Crusaders

So obviously Jordan James was the worlds greatest prop forward





















Are you Jordan James in disguise?