Haha, conspiracy theories wild on here, he got out of his contract with Wigan to eventually sign for us? He always comes across as a bit nuts, but not even he would be that daft.

Quote Trainman="Trainman"It states here www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2018- ... part-wigan Should Gelling return to the UK Wigan have first option to sign him. So for whatever reason we didn’t want him or couldn’t fit him under the cap.'" My guess is salary cap given Wigan signed a replacement which makes it Hobson's Choice if so. Widnes can have him as far as I am concerned but intentional or not in Gelling's case, for overseas players professing personal reasons for having your contract cancelled is a neat way to see if you can make it in the NRL and if not, get a club back in the UK without your new clubs having to pay a transfer fee. We'd better hope John Bateman doesn't profess homesickness for Yorkshire so he can get a release from his contract and then swan off to Oz

Quote Trainman="Trainman"It states here www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2018- ... part-wigan Should Gelling return to the UK Wigan have first option to sign him. So for whatever reason we didn’t want him or couldn’t fit him under the cap.'" My guess is salary cap given Wigan signed a replacement which makes it Hobson's Choice if so. Widnes can have him as far as I am concerned but intentional or not in Gelling's case, for overseas players professing personal reasons for having your contract cancelled is a neat way to see if you can make it in the NRL and if not, get a club back in the UK without your new clubs having to pay a transfer fee. We'd better hope John Bateman doesn't profess homesickness for Yorkshire so he can get a release from his contract and then swan off to Oz

Yeah, but you're not pathologically obsessed with trying to turn everything into a negative.

neither am I. if it was a player of value such as Lockers or Williams there would be uproar. it isn't being negative feeling hard done by for the club, who naturally would have either made him see out his contract or demanded a fee upon his transfer elsewhere. with the club in so much turnmoil (off the pitch) its galling to see yet another player abuse, whether intentional or not (and might I add I don't think this is intentional, but still, the fact remains), the contracts a club hands out.

you all moan that the club hasn't got cap space, you all moan when the club don't have the money, cap space or desire to go for big name players, you all moan when our big players leave and we replace them with a lesser standard, yet you all are quite happy to let it dwindle its resources away as soon as a player and his agent throws his weight around.

i'd say there are some that see too much good when there is not that much good to be seen.

Nope, i for one never said that.... You have been told 10 million times not to exagerate.

ok, i'll leave that one with you then.

If you're seriously going to try and make a big deal out of the transfer fee we didn't get for Gelling, then I can't help you.

It's madness isn't it. Plus as other posters have stated Wigan had first refusal of Gells, so somewhere in the discussions we decided for whatever reason to not take Gells back up. I think it ends there really, literally and as part of a discussion.

Good luck to him on a new chapter at Widnes. I just hope when he plays against us it's one of his 'brain fart' games and not one of his more stellar performances!

There's still a good player in Gells. It's more a question of whether he'll ever unearth it on a consistent basis. I remember Jamie Peacock saying he and Kallum Watkins were the best two centres in Superleague but, while one has gone on to cement his place there, the other is still spoke about pretty much as 'no loss to the club'.

I'm a bit on the fence on this one really and, to me, it's more a case of what the alternatives are. If we chose not to take up our first option on him because we have something better in the pipeline, that's all good and well. If it's because we are committed to Sarge, I'll be less impressed as Sarge is another with a good game in him who hasn't been able to do it on a consistent basis and, in truth, an 'on' Gells is the better of the two.

if you seriously think that wigan don't need the money, then let it be on your head if and when it comes out that we are skint for next year and beyond despite losing 2/3 big earners at the end of 2018.

this isn't a personal dig at gelling, this is a concern about the club. have you seen the state of our finances? have you heard the news coming out of the club about how close to the cap we are and how little money we have to spare and how much we need to drive ideas for new business and income?

yeah i'm not bothered at all. not a bit.

fans who seem to think its all about what is on the pitch are the problem, not me who has a genuine concern.

This is just plain silliness.

We already know we have a chairman who pumps hundreds of thousands into the club whenever there's a shortfall, sometimes on an annual basis (yes ... that would be the 'complete numpty' you referred to a few posts ago).

Compared to that, how much do you think we'd get for Gelling? If anything at all?

The fact he's gone to Widnes must tell you something ... namely that no one with any cash was interested.

As for the three big earners we've lost, we've already replaced two of them, with maybe another to come. On top of that, you accuse others of not having seen the club's finances, but then neither have you.

Sorry, this is nothing but blatant misinformation and scaremongering. You say you've got the club's best interests at heart, but it feels to me as if the opposite is true.

firstly i'm pretty sure it isn't IL who sits down with the players to negotiate their contracts. secondly again, i'm not having a personal dig at Gelling, I have already commented that I rated him, but he is simply yet another example of a player getting out of contract and then shortly after having a change of heart (or realising the grass wasn't greener). wigan have been bitten in this manner too many times and only recently and finally seem to have realised returning players aren't worth it and that agents will try anything to get you out of or a new contract.

so we've replaced ST with ZH, probably half the wage ST was on.

Greenwood for J Tomkins, same again.

where is the spare cash? if its not going on bateman, where is it and who is it going to be spent on? have you any information on that to appease me yet? if not, what right do you have to blast my post?

and actually yes I've looked at their finances, being in the finance industry myself I am strongly concerned. Companies House shows £7M in 2016, and off the top of my head with a bit of quick thinking i can sum up about £5.5M tops, yet we are being told we are not making profit and going on grand ventures to try and bring in more money? How?! and why?

I have nothing but the best interests for the club, i'm merely someone bold enough to come on here to fight tooth and nail with all of you internet geeks about it. I'm not scaremongering, i'm trying to find answer which by the way none of you can provide. you all come back with your high and mighty responses with little actual evidence or substance in them so to have the gall to mock my posts when yours are no better or worse is quite laughable.

you then have the indecency to suggest that I should drop the "crusade" i'm on, but will no doubt be the first to complain about lack of fans, lack of visits to the forum and the downturn of fans at the game.

have a word with yourself before coming back at we thinking your quick wit will look good.

I hope you are ok with this Mrs. Cruncher.