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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf]
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| Quote: Nnibly_Warrior "Just watched the highlights on WiganTV, he did indeed score a long range try, off a lovely inside ball close to the defensive line from Kibula. Hamlin didn't appear to play any part of the second half for some reason though.'"
Perhaps hooked up to an oxygen tank ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) a 70m try is some effort from a forward!
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icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock
"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
[quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote]
Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
I thanked him and went on my Merry way!
RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015!
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| Quote: NickyKiss "His work rate is poor, he doesn’t look like he fancies the tough carries out of his own end, he looked like he didn’t want to be there at points when playing at centre last year when opposition second rowers/centres would run at him, he looks too heavy and his comments and general demeanour smack of a lad that sees his Wigan career as a fallback option and very much second best. Is it desire, application, attitude? I’m not sure but he wasn’t on his own as you point out.
That’s honestly how I’ve seen him since he’s come back. I believe he’s massively talented but I also don’t think he applies himself as he could. He certainly doesn’t play at full throttle like you always see guys like Davies, Marshall and Manfredi do. There’s time for him to change that and that’s why I’m happy to see him being left out currently because it should give him a shake up.
There’s no doubting his talent.'"
His work rate has never been the greatest, it's my biggest gripe about him. Don't necessarily agree that he looked like he didn't want to be here when playing in the centre's. I don't see any evidence of that and would suggest there were far greater issues.
In your quote you've said "he looked like", "his general demeanour", "a lad who sees Wigan as his fallback option (I'll say more on this later), "he doesn't apply himself as he could".
I don't perceive that too be evidence based more an opinion or observation. A
All if the above I would suggest raised their head more to do with the whole teams lethargy rather than anything individually he didn't do. Looking back at his record last year he actually did very well first half or So of the season and his try scoring record was as good as it's always been. I reckon he had 15 or so in his first 15 games If not more?
It also coincided with the introduction and the performances of Davies and Marshall. Whilst agreeing that their work rate is superior to budgies I don't agree that this only just happened. Budgies work rate needed to improve BEFORE he left the club.
He does however offer different attributes and certainly his all round game is superior to Marshalls (currently and when fit).
However I agree if he doesn't get his head down and does react badly (Not that he has before) then any ideas he may have of one day trying NRL again will be harder to come by as he won't be putting himself out there to be seen/wanted.
What I want is for the "x" years of his contract, I want to see him perform as well as he Can. If that leads to opportunities elsewhere then that's a whole different debate. But while he is here then I want to get the best out of him, and I don't believe his attitude or performances have been bad, in fact they've been pretty good imo.
He does look a bit off presently but since he picked up that injury 5mins I to Leigh pre season game I would suggest he's 4/5 weeks behind others fitness etc wise. That may have a bigger effect than any perceived judgement of his attitude or desire.
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| Quote: Jukesays "His work rate has never been the greatest, it's my biggest gripe about him. Don't necessarily agree that he looked like he didn't want to be here when playing in the centre's. I don't see any evidence of that and would suggest there were far greater issues.
In your quote you've said "he looked like", "his general demeanour", "a lad who sees Wigan as his fallback option (I'll say more on this later), "he doesn't apply himself as he could".
I don't perceive that too be evidence based more an opinion or observation. A
All if the above I would suggest raised their head more to do with the whole teams lethargy rather than anything individually he didn't do. Looking back at his record last year he actually did very well first half or So of the season and his try scoring record was as good as it's always been. I reckon he had 15 or so in his first 15 games If not more?
It also coincided with the introduction and the performances of Davies and Marshall. Whilst agreeing that their work rate is superior to budgies I don't agree that this only just happened. Budgies work rate needed to improve BEFORE he left the club.
He does however offer different attributes and certainly his all round game is superior to Marshalls (currently and when fit).
However I agree if he doesn't get his head down and does react badly (Not that he has before) then any ideas he may have of one day trying NRL again will be harder to come by as he won't be putting himself out there to be seen/wanted.
What I want is for the "x" years of his contract, I want to see him perform as well as he Can. If that leads to opportunities elsewhere then that's a whole different debate. But while he is here then I want to get the best out of him, and I don't believe his attitude or performances have been bad, in fact they've been pretty good imo.
He does look a bit off presently but since he picked up that injury 5mins I to Leigh pre season game I would suggest he's 4/5 weeks behind others fitness etc wise. That may have a bigger effect than any perceived judgement of his attitude or desire.'"
I agree with much of that and I think we both agree he’s a superb player on his day. I’ve put his form last year more down to attitude but I could be wrong. The games I referred to about him struggling at centre were away at Cas and Leigh. He was appalling in both and looked she’ll shocked trying to defend against the opposition centres and backrowers (Webster in particular, who he looked like he didn’t fancy tangling with at all).
Ultimately I’d love nothing more then to see him back at his best. I loved watching the lad play in 2014/15. He looked happy and full of energy. It was a real contrast last year I felt but then who was overly pleased with things? I’d really love to see more from him though though. He’s got the talent to bring so much to this side but he’s got to get stuck in more and take the handbrake off.
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2572.jpg Ah, good taste!
What a dreadful thing!
Taste is the enemy of creativeness.
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| Team announced (as expected):
Sam T
Davies
Bateman
Gildart
Marshall
Williams
Powell
Clubb
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Flower
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Lockers
Sutton
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| We’re clearly suffering with the jet lag. As expected. But it appears we left Wire’s attack in aus, along with our own. They’re a bit naff, aren’t they...
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| We are playing truly awful,a decent side would be out of sight by now. Warrington are keeping mistakes to a minimum but I’m not too impressed.
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| If this is the price we pay for flying away to a nothing fixture I hope we never set foot on a runway again. What a dreadful standard the game is.
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| Is Thaler jet lagged as well ? He’s truly awful
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| The longer this goes on the less I blame jet lag and the more I blame our typically half hearted attitude we saw in 2017 and think we actually just cannot be d with an easy excuse of jet lag.
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| Quote: Azul "The longer this goes on the less I blame jet lag and the more I blame our typically half hearted attitude we saw in 2017 and think we actually just cannot be d with an easy excuse of jet lag.'"
All the nonsense from last season is back in spades. Forwards being pansies across the board. Half backs and hooker non-existent other than to run around in circles, Williams more and more looking like he’s stealing a living as a marquee player.
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| Quote: DannyT "All the nonsense from last season is back in spades. Forwards being pansies across the board. Half backs and hooker non-existent other than to run around in circles, Williams more and more looking like he’s stealing a living as a marquee player.'"
Joel back to his best too...
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| Quote: Azul "Joel back to his best too...'"
That stupid flick pass. A good coach would take that out of his options in the job he has to do. I'm really disappointed with this performance. Totally disjointed and pathetic from all pivots in the team.
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| where was that effort in the first 60 minutes? We where low on energy and you can blame jet lag but the 5th tackle plays where shocking,even in the last 20 when we where on the front foot.
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| Isa not good enough, Powell not good enough, Williams not good enough and Bate,an not a centre depresses me, add to that Gildart is having a shocker of a start doesnt bode well. Did Davies get a pass today??
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| Quote: CobraCraig "where was that effort in the first 60 minutes? We where low on energy and you can blame jet lag but the 5th tackle plays where shocking,even in the last 20 when we where on the front foot.'"
Much like last season at times tonight,naff all for most of the match then a little purple patch in the game that frankly flattered them
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