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| I don't think those off-field issues were that serious, but Sarginson was woeful the last time he played for England. And I think Shenton is a much better player now than when he was last capped.
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| Quote Aboveusonlypie="Aboveusonlypie"They always did!
Shenton struggled at Saints, he has done well at Cas, but he isn't a winner. You only get one chance every four years at the World Cup so you need players you can rely on not to bottle it. There are other players who Bennett has picked who I would question too like Kev Brown and I'm sorry to say it Luke Gale.
I'd take Dan Sargison ahead of Shenton.'"
I'd take Mrs Brown at centre before Sarginson.
Sarginson couldn't play centre at a decent level if his life depended on it. Cant pass/ wont pass summed him up perfectly. You can't call anyone a centre who cannot pass.
He has a good engine but apart from that nah never in a million years is he better than Shenton.
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| Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"I'd take Mrs Brown at centre before Sarginson.
Sarginson couldn't play centre at a decent level if his life depended on it. Cant pass/ wont pass summed him up perfectly. You can't call anyone a centre who cannot pass.
He has a good engine but apart from that nah never in a million years is he better than Shenton.'"
His England debut was against Australia in the 2014 4 Nations and he played superbly. He has done it against the best at the highest level or had you forgotten?
So in fact your comments are ridiculous.
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| Quote Aboveusonlypie="Aboveusonlypie"His England debut was against Australia in the 2014 4 Nations and he played superbly. He has done it against the best at the highest level or had you forgotten?
So in fact your comments are ridiculous.'"
Its my opinion so I don't think its ridiculous.
Sarginson for me is poor and very poor at centre.
You name one game and you think he is superb. Well good for you.
If he is superb I am sure you can regale at length what superb skills he showed for Wigan on numerous occasions. For me someone who is superb is a one off and the best at his position i.e. he stands out from the rest.
He was pretty superb at winding people up around town though.
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| Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"Its my opinion so I don't think its ridiculous.
Sarginson for me is poor and very poor at centre.
You name one game and you think he is superb. Well good for you.
If he is superb I am sure you can regale at length what superb skills he showed for Wigan on numerous occasions. For me someone who is superb is a one off and the best at his position i.e. he stands out from the rest.
He was pretty superb at winding people up around town though.'"
In his final year:
Most carries of any player in SL
2nd most assists of any centre in SL
2nd most assists of any Wigan player
2nd most metres of any Wigan player
Most tackles of any Wigan back
Massive contribution to us getting to, and winning, the Grand Final in 2016.
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| Quote Grimmy="Grimmy"In his final year:
Most carries of any player in SL
2nd most assists of any centre in SL
2nd most assists of any Wigan player
2nd most metres of any Wigan player
Most tackles of any Wigan back
Massive contribution to us getting to, and winning, the Grand Final in 2016.'"
No Grimmy it's opinions we want not facts 
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| Quote Itchy Arsenal="Itchy Arsenal"Its my opinion so I don't think its ridiculous.
Sarginson for me is poor and very poor at centre.
You name one game and you think he is superb. Well good for you.
If he is superb I am sure you can regale at length what superb skills he showed for Wigan on numerous occasions. For me someone who is superb is a one off and the best at his position i.e. he stands out from the rest.
He was pretty superb at winding people up around town though.'"
The game I named wasn't just any old game though was it? It was against the world's best, against whom he was excellent. He was also excellent in the Grand Final. So that might suggest he has more ability than you give him credit for.
Of course you are entitled to your 'opinion' but just slagging a player off because he wound you up in town doesn't really stack up against the evidence does it?
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| Quote Aboveusonlypie="Aboveusonlypie"They always did!
Shenton struggled at Saints, he has done well at Cas, but he isn't a winner. You only get one chance every four years at the World Cup so you need players you can rely on not to bottle it. There are other players who Bennett has picked who I would question too like Kev Brown and I'm sorry to say it Luke Gale.
I'd take Dan Sargison ahead of Shenton.'"
whitehead, hodgson, mcgilvary also shouldnt be going with your logic
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| Quote Aboveusonlypie="Aboveusonlypie"The game I named wasn't just any old game though was it? It was against the world's best, against whom he was excellent. He was also excellent in the Grand Final. So that might suggest he has more ability than you give him credit for.
Of course you are entitled to your 'opinion' but just slagging a player off because he wound you up in town doesn't really stack up against the evidence does it?'"
The only time the guy wound me up was when he missed umpteen chances to pass and was incapable of doing so.
No gobshoite however big a gobshoite would wind me up around town.
A "superb" centre is Gene Miles. A great centre is Dean Bell. A good centre is George Carmont. Sarginson is a journey man at best and compare him against the 3 he wasn't fit to lace their boots
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| I couldn't have been happier when Sideways Sarge left. I can count on one hand the number of good games he had. It's all well and good putting stats up but he was crap. I bet he was up there for handling errors and penalties too. I was hoping Wane would have been gone before he had the chance to bring him back.
Also Itchy, i classed Dean Bell as a world class centre but didnt see Miles play. He must have been some player
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| Quote Cherry_Warrior="Cherry_Warrior"I couldn't have been happier when Sideways Sarge left. I can count on one hand the number of good games he had. It's all well and good putting stats up but he was crap. I bet he was up there for handling errors and penalties too. I was hoping Wane would have been gone before he had the chance to bring him back.
Also Itchy, i classed Dean Bell as a world class centre but didnt see Miles play. He must have been some player'"
Gene Miles was sublime.
Best centre I have ever seen, and been watching Wigan since the late 1950's. He was the reason why Offiah got all those tries in that season.
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| Quote fleabag="fleabag"Gene Miles was sublime.
Best centre I have ever seen, and been watching Wigan since the late 1950's. He was the reason why Offiah got all those tries in that season.'"
Amazing off-load and very strong and that particular season he was never fully fit I recall he missed quite a few games . Pity he was at the tail end of his career and only here for a short time- an amazing player.
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