Maguire took over the same team as Noble and added Deacon to it the rest is the history books.

It's not often I agree with you but you are absolutely correct about the team.

I think us as fans generally understand the issues but the team simply don't seem to get it.

They play like a petulant set of brats. They have a clear sense of entitlement and arrogance that sadly significantly outweighs their current performance.

This whole "Wigan way" thing is a joke. The Wigan. Way should be striving to innovate and develop as a club not s throwback to 1970's bash and barge rugby.

The sign of a quality coach is one that comes in and leaves the club in a better state than it was when they took over. Wane hasn't done that. He has turned this club from a top quality side to a clueless bunch of individuals who don't seem to understand the word team.

If he loves the club as much as he claims to he shouldn't make it a difficult decision for IL he should just walk away.

I'm sure he is a great bloke but the players don't want to play for him, the fans have been distanced from the club and the performances on the field have been well below par.

Time for some fresh ideas and to move on from the Wigan way of jobs for the boys culture that has re-emerged.

Hardly helps matters seeing pictures of players out on the pi$$ last nighr without a care in the world.

true but Noble had a harder job, the club was broken when Noble took over and was quite stable when madge took over, granted he took them to another level but like the poster said most coaches could have took the team with the ethos and staff etc and won things

Give over they're entitled to a night out after a very bad few weeks at work just like anybody else is. We all know (and so do they) that they've underperformed but they're men and a night out isn't a major issue. Had it been the night before the Cas game fair enough but it's after their season is over.

Completely agree - the strategy of re-signing old players has been an unmitigated disaster and completely handcuffed the club in terms of playing staff.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it?

If the club had allowed Sam Tomkins to go to Wire, Leuluai to go to Saints, Burgess to go to Leeds which were all strongly rumoured, the same fans on here would have been outraged!

The club did the right thing bringing them back but the season has not gone well. I'm still glad we didn't allow any of thes players, Joel included to go anywhere else.

Not hindsight when Mossop was garbage before he went, nobody has come back from RU a better player and Leuluai was always a better hooker than half. Like I said a disaster all of the club's making.

I wouldn't have been bothered with any of the scenarios you mentioned.

This forum almost blew up when ST was rumoured to Wire and slightly less frantic when TL was rumoured to Saints. You may have not been bothered but I assure you, you were in a very small minority.

I have to agree with you 100% on this post.

This forum was filled with real anxiety and angst at some of our top players at the club leaving to go to RU and the NRL going back just a couple of years. People were speaking about the player drain, how the salary cap was unworkable and how playing for Wigan put you in this huge shop window to be picked off by the riches of Australia or the other code. It probably wasn't everybody but there was a general feeling of comfort when it emerged players like Mossop, Sam T and Joel were likely to return in the future. They were sold for fees and people were happy when these players returned costing less to bring back than the fees we received for them. It seemed like great business. I'm not picking on Mossop as such but just using him as an example because it obviously didn't work out for him and he has since moved on.

I'd like to think bringing some new blood into the club either via an attack coach or a new head coach that players like Joel and Sam T would be given a real shake and we would see something like their old form. My concern with Joel is I actually felt sorry for him leaving the field against Wakefield and that these injuries just won't go away.

The only player I raised an eyebrow at re-signing was Tommy in place of Matty Smith but even then he and Budgie re-signing was rightly met with a warm response (especially Burgess). I hoped Tommy would feature sparingly at hooker with Sam and even Shorrocks playing at half back and Escare at 1. I don't think this was ever the plan sadly given he was handed the 7 jersey and injuries haven't helped. A few fans who sit near me were calling for Matty Smith to leave for most of last season because they believed his passing was woeful, his kicking was poor and his goalkicking was atrocious and how Tommy would improve us in 2017. Tommy's form at 7 this year has really highlighted their foolishness but as this poster I've quoted says hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I don't speak for other people, only myself. So my opinion on the disastrous old boys signing strategy has nothing to do with what other people were thinking on this forum.

I'm nostalgic and was happy to see them all come back but ultimately most haven't worked out. I think Burgess is carrying a couple of knocks and a stone too much in weight, that when rectified will certainly mean that's the right call. The San Tomkins move is one that could also still bear fruit. He's been pretty good these past few months (bar the last two weeks) but clearly he needs to move in to the halves as he's not fast enough to play full back anymore.

The other moves though (Leuluai, Joel, Mossop etc) have been worthless. They've probably cost us a lot of money and they've not added enough to the team. I feel a little for Joel, he looks pretty much finished with his knees imo (injured again yesterday) and that's robbed him of any chance of making a decent impact.