I was there. Was I arrogant and claim we only had to turn up to win? No. But judging by the half empty Wigan end that day I assume Wigan fans thought that.

I wonder who posted this on Red Vee on their 2017 predictions thread?




Saints
Wigan
Warrington
Hull
Leeds
Castleford
Catalans
Wakefield
Huddersfield
Salford
Widnes
Leigh

Grand Final - Saints v Wigan

Challenge Cup - Luck of the draw so hard to predict but seeing as I'm in a good mood I'll go Saints v Warrington

Saints double
Roby Man of Steel
Swift top scorer
Cunningham coach of the year

And what does that prove? That I have a sense of humour and posted a quite clearly tongue in cheek post about us sweeping the board?

You are being selective in what you quote there as well mate as you missed out my next post in which stated I was just seeing how an optimistic outlook would go down for a change. Nice try though old chap.

Besides, even if I did predict we would win everything and meant it, I haven't said there is nobody near us and we are clearly superior to everyone.

So again, what does your post prove?

Personal insults

What insults have been used?

You used the word "Yourselves".
That to me implies (Or whatever word you want to come up with) that your being Generic in your claims that Wigan Fans are arrogant or whatever.

Anyway - You say something and it's tongue in cheek
"1" Wigan fan says something and were All arrogant etc.

Go Figure

Asking me to try and Discuss things "Like an Adult" as if I am not.
Does the above imply/infer whatever that I am "Childish"?

You are missing the point massively. Either that or you are being deliberately obtuse.

Right let's pretend I predicted that Saints would win everything and meant it. I still didn't claim that nobody would touch us or that we are far superior. Surely you can see the difference between being confident and thinking you have a good chance of winning silverware and claiming you are far superior to the rest? It really isn't that difficult.



And no I wasn't implying that all Wigan fans are arrogant, just the ones posting arrogant remarks.

Yes I am saying you're acting childish and picking fights. In fact you are still doing it now. You class that as an insult?

If you actually lived in the world of Wigan fans, you'd know that most of us exist in a state of constant nervousness and uncertainty. But you don't, you live in the world of "Wigan fans according to St Helens fans", where we are mostly villainous, and you lot - you in particular, I expect - are mostly righteous.

The fact you take exception to one or two Wigan fans demonstrating a bit of bravado (on their own forum!) to such an extent that you then come out with comments like "arrogance even by Wigan fan standards" says exactly the opposite - about you at least - as does your unwillingness later to admit that this was some kind of general-purpose insult.

It's pathetic, but I suspect you've achieved what you really came here for - to derail a thread about Wigan's chances this season. So well done on that score.

Not at all. My intention wasn't to detail anything. I see that it would fit the agenda of certain people on here if I was made out to be a troll derailing a thread but that isn't the case. I have noth done or said anything pathetic. The only pathetic thing on here is the xenophobic nature of some of you.

My intention was in keeping with the predictions title and was simply to point out that it's quite arrogant to suggest you are far superior to all of your rivals. You will also notice a Wigan fan agreed with me but surprisingly nobody minds that. It's fine when a Wigan fan says a Wigan fan is arrogant, but when a Saints fan says it he's being pathetic and derailing a thread, apparently.

My post wasn't aimed at all Wigan fans; if you've taken it that way then you've taken it wrong. I have family members and close friends who are Wigan fans and none of them are particularly arrogant so I wouldn't make that generalisation. Similarly I know many Saints fans who are complete buffoons.

I liked that. Very true I think.

I do think that Yellow Giraffe has a point about arrogance. I sometimes think that Wigan fans (and I include myself) can veer between arrogance and self laceration. - (I find these days that Saints fans on the whole are rather better than Warrington and Cas to name two sets of fans who can get on my particular wick).

Anyhow (as if to prove the point) I still think that Wigan have the best squad in the comp, but disagree that it will be a disaster if we don't win anything, in sport you just never know.