Again, laughable. If tackling a player to the floor, pinning him down, but not throwing any punches is worth a red or even yellow in your book then you're watching the wrong game petal.

Smith should be banned for petulance/stupidity, but again, what he did wasn't dangerous in any way, just unsportsmanlike. The fact of whether or not it was a yellow or a red for Smith is irrelevant as there was less than ten mins to go and he will still receive the same ban from the panel regardless.

Hey JW I'm all for rough and ready rugby, hit on Brown by your player resulting in him having to leave the field not to return nothing wrong with it and few hits from your players on our kickers again most OK, but the odd 1/2 were late or avoidable IMO so not OK. Ah Van on JC high shot and not acceptable, certainly not deliberate again IMO, red card for me I will take but no ban or 1 game at most and told to improve technique. It's a tough sport and players get hit, all part and parcel. Ah Van should have been going under the arm / shoulder rather than over the top as that technique could lead to head shot as it did but all happened in live play with ball in motion / play.

However Tomkins attacks a player when the ball is dead and for absolutely no reason as all Phelps has done was go and have a word with Smith for kicking Hanbury, phelps was not pushing Smith nor did he have his hands raised. He runs from 20 metres away to get involved and we and others have had players in the bin for doing this and being the cause of the brawl / melee because they are seen as the cause of the problem. So Both Smiths and Tomkins decisions to do what they did where out of context with what was going on IMO and they should both know better and to walk away unpunished is wrong so both should be banned for 1 game at least.

Just because he hugs him and puts him on the deck doesn't mean it is OK and acceptable.

Ok, sorry for the tone of my original post. I agree with most of what you say here. I just don't think J. Tomkins should get a ban. Smith should get at least 2 games for being a moron.

The Tomkins tackle was odd, but it defused what could have blown up. I think a slap on the wrist, not a ban.

Ah Van, if he go sending off sufficient I really struggle to see that Smith would be banned. An attack to the head is rather more serious.

When it comes down to it i feel it was a combination of frustration and petulance. Wigan got away with murder for 60 minutes and then all of a sudden they get penalised for every minor transgression which they do not understand because what they got away with before was now deemed to be foul play.

Widnes level things up and Handbury goes to celebrate toward the crowd. He decodes to veer to another patch of crowd and realises Smith is in his way and they bump slightly, Handbury turns to congratulate his player and by this point Smith thinks Handbury purposely pushed into him so he turns round and in retaliation swings a kici at him. Has to be a red for me. If Ah Van see's red for a clumsy hit then Smith has to for deliberately making a foul play of that nature.

Why would it make any difference if it was red or yellow for Smith?

Great to see that we are still a team of cheating, useless, thugs.... And there was me, worried that we had lost our way...

Because for one, has it actually been worked out what Smith was yellow carded for? There is a dispute as to whether it was for the original kick or for berating the touch judge while he was behind the sticks. If the latter then he hasn't even been penalised for the offence.

He was sent off for the remainder of the game and the incident will be looked at by the review panel, so it didn't matter if it was red or yellow did it?

Don't see what the fuss is about.
Smith was a tart and deserves a warning no more no less.
Joel T couldn't sort out a fight in a nursery. If you are going to go in at least do it properly.
It's a game of rugby for gods sake. I want aggression and plenty of it as long as it is controlled.
Someone said Wigan got away with murder for 60 minutes! Doing what?!
Widnes deservedly got a point and we need to get back to playing a more open type of game.
I don't like calling referees but Child's is petty, inconsistent and never seems to be in control of any game he officiates in. He's a poor referee for all sides. If all referees were like him I would cease watching league immediately.
My only concern is one raised by several people and that's Liam Farrell who had a poor game and who needs to get back to breaking the line on a regular basis and stop all this tough guy nonsense.
Those people who think that Wigan are the only team who play with aggression and have a coach who encourages aggression need to wise up that ALL teams have players, coaches etc who think, play and encourage others within the team to play aggressively.

I hope that the review panel judge Smith's petulant kick irrespective of the fact that a ban could rule him out of the world series game,
IF he is found not guilty and doesn't receive a ban for the offense then that imo means that kicking an opponent is tolerated does it not?

Hypothetically speaking here,but should Smith get off "Scott free" with his kicking incident then what would happen if an opposing coach instructed all 13 of his players to take it in turn to kick Smith the next time he celebrates a Wigan score?
A crazy point i know but.........It's clearly not a sending off offense is it?

I have never been Wane's biggest fan but he seems hell bent on trying to make your side a team full of aggressive thugs and i believe that could prove to be both his and your downfall if it continues throughout the season

Well it does actually, as it raises the chance of him get him banned, because it negates the chance of him getting 'sending off sufficient .'

Christ, we thought our discipline was bad? I think Saints are going for a record tonight.

Few red faces amoungst the Saints fans commenting on our discipline after that half off rugby!

Awful discipline and a team warning followed by a sin bin. Even we couldn't match that last night.