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| Quote St pete="St pete"No your missing my point mate, I don't believe for one min that wane would ask a player to do that, no way at all would he do that and I really really believe that.
I think maybe he had you to revved up with his "we hate THEM" and " I was brought up to hate them" and also " I'd never let my daughters go out with a saints fan" so IMO he'd just got so wound up before the game with Wane trash talking that it wasn't controlled aggression.
In big games, I'm all for aggression and being fired up and I've praised how well up for it Wigan are in big games but maybe just maybe Wane took this a little to far.
For what it's worth, I thought Wigan was probably the better team. You was opening us up with ease out wide and you'd think saints was the man down with the overlap you was creating.
Great effort with 12 men for so long in a big game but saints just hung in there and we took our very few chances.
I'm pretty sure Wigan will come back stronger after that.'"
Fair enough then, good assessment mate. Interestingly, I said to my Dad when the players came out Flower looked 'up' for it when he ran towards the Wigan end. Perhaps a little too fired up obviously! Congrats on the win, any Grand Final win is not to be sniffed at. |
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An independent view of the same incident - [urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?4916[/url
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An independent view of the same incident - [urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/the-rfl/disciplinary/item?4916[/url
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A quote form the Wigan Today article you have attached - Brown said: “He got hit in the head didn’t he? Without the ball. “You know that’s going to happen when you play Wigan. That’s standard with their front-rowers.
I wonder what Browns take on Lance's attempted jaw breaker is now since Flower got hit in the head (with an elbow), without the ball.
Not condoning the second punch but Lance really has to learn lessons from this incident - cheap shot merchants sometimes meet their match.
As for the first punch, I don't know what the standard ban is for a punch, but you cannot ban someone for a longer period of time because they throw a quality punch, however, I would ban him for a long time him for the ridiculous second punch. Likewise Hohaia must face the consequences of his jaw breaker attempt if the game is to have any credibility - then again this is RL and given the way the RL pacify Leeds (Peacocks punching episodes going unpunished being classic examples) I have no doubts the instigator will get away with this scot free !
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A quote form the Wigan Today article you have attached - Brown said: “He got hit in the head didn’t he? Without the ball. “You know that’s going to happen when you play Wigan. That’s standard with their front-rowers.
I wonder what Browns take on Lance's attempted jaw breaker is now since Flower got hit in the head (with an elbow), without the ball.
Not condoning the second punch but Lance really has to learn lessons from this incident - cheap shot merchants sometimes meet their match.
As for the first punch, I don't know what the standard ban is for a punch, but you cannot ban someone for a longer period of time because they throw a quality punch, however, I would ban him for a long time him for the ridiculous second punch. Likewise Hohaia must face the consequences of his jaw breaker attempt if the game is to have any credibility - then again this is RL and given the way the RL pacify Leeds (Peacocks punching episodes going unpunished being classic examples) I have no doubts the instigator will get away with this scot free !
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There's no moral high ground to take here. If you live by the sword you die by it and you did.
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| Quote I8pies="I8pies"A quote form the Wigan Today article you have attached - Brown said: “He got hit in the head didn’t he? Without the ball. “You know that’s going to happen when you play Wigan. That’s standard with their front-rowers.
I wonder what Browns take on Lance's attempted jaw breaker is now since Flower got hit in the head (with an elbow), without the ball.
Not condoning the second punch but Lance really has to learn lessons from this incident - cheap shot merchants sometimes meet their match.
As for the first punch, I don't know what the standard ban is for a punch, but you cannot ban someone for a longer period of time because they throw a quality punch, however, I would ban him for a long time him for the ridiculous second punch. Likewise Hohaia must face the consequences of his jaw breaker attempt if the game is to have any credibility - then again this is RL and given the way the RL pacify Leeds (Peacocks punching episodes going unpunished being classic examples) I have no doubts the instigator will get away with this scot free !'"
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"fair comments Pete although I think you may be taking Wane's 'pantomime villain' comments a little too seriously! Do you really think anyone in the Wigan dressing room really believes he'd have any say whatsoever on his daughter dating a Saints fan? You don't know daughters very well if you do!
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| Quote LewCharnock="LewCharnock"Fair enough then, good assessment mate. Interestingly, I said to my Dad when the players came out Flower looked 'up' for it when he ran towards the Wigan end. Perhaps a little too fired up obviously! Congrats on the win, any Grand Final win is not to be sniffed at.'"
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| Quote St pete="St pete"How big of a miss is Blake Green going to be? I see danger every time he gets the ball. He's a very clever ball player.
I don't think you can't go with a kid to replace Green, he's to important IMO.'"
I actually thought he was poor last night - which is a shame as hes a good player. Not on the level of Finch, but a very good player nonetheless. We'll miss him. |
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| Quote St pete="St pete"How big of a miss is Blake Green going to be? I see danger every time he gets the ball. He's a very clever ball player.
I don't think you can't go with a kid to replace Green, he's to important IMO.'"
Big miss, he always seems to play well and come up with a play in big games like yesterday, I think it was his pass to Burgess IIRC. By all accounts it will be George Williams who takes over but he was hit and miss a few months ago when filling in. I particularly remember a shocking performance from him at Bradford. |
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| Quote St pete="St pete"How big of a miss is Blake Green going to be? I see danger every time he gets the ball. He's a very clever ball player.
I don't think you can't go with a kid to replace Green, he's to important IMO.'"
We went with a kid in Burgess to replace Richards and now nobody is missing Richards. Good players come and go but I predict George Williams to replace Blake and have the same impact within 12 months that Joe Burgess did. He will turn out to be better than Blake when he has fully matured. |
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