Spot on, that's the reason why this loss doesn't bother me all that much, yeah I always like to win against saints but when you put it into context it doesn't signal doom n gloom for us it's just 1-1 in the saints series with all to play for

That's exactly the feeling I walked away from last night with. We were awful and it was a frustrating night but add our 6 or 7 injured players in and even playing that poorly we'll get on top of Saints in the play offs.

It was a poor night in isolation but it actually gave me an awful lot of confidence.

Let me take you back to Graham Hock who manhandled 2 referees whilst under contract with Wigan, I suppose thats was OK at the time and not in the slightest OTT.

Every club in Superleague can come up with instances involving Wigan going beyond the line of fair play.

Who?

And they are all etched into your bitter hearts..

I suspect you are referring to Gareth Hock and not his long list relative Graham?

Hope got a very lengthy ban for that and rightly so. It's the constant moaning at the ref that I refer to. Watch last nights game back and tell me I'm wrong.

It seems the saints fans who have responded to my comments have not said I was wrong but offer weak examples of when SW, Tomkins and now Graham Hock have done similar? I think that says it all....

Who?

You couldn't make it up! If you are gonna take the mickey out of someone for getting a name wrong, make sure you get it right yourself.

When Hock was under the influence of drugs he didn,t know if he was a Gareth or a Graham, so I,ve just used the latter.
He was always confused prior to this, I,m not sure but I think his real name was Charnock.

Ha, I'll give you that one!! Damn you predictive text!!!

And every club in SL can come up with instances involving St Helens going beyond the line of fair play. As it happens every club in SL can come up with instances of every other club in SL going beyond the line of fair play, every club in the NRL.......... Well you get my point.

All this bitterness towards Wigan is getting tiresome now. It's time a significant minority grew up and started to understand what the sport and what rivalries are all about. In one breath you praise Brown for whining about refs in the next you criticise Wane. Which one is it? You either like a bit of mind games or you don't.

He was not whining about refs, he was whining about Wane Whining about refs, therefore influencing a poor ref performance.

As for Saints going from bad losers to bad winners, at least we are starting to show some consistency at long last.

The problem is that wane reacted to it. If he just smiled and laughed then Brown would have looked the idiot.

Instead wane, after probably shouting at his players in the dressing room due to losing the only match he cares about, just couldn't help himself and came out with some daft quotes.

Wane is rattled.