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| We're also missing an marquee player or two who can put bums on seats. A Barrett, Robinson, Tomkins or anyone else who can lift the crowd. I'm more concerned with the level of mediocrity in SL in general. It's quite worrying when you consider what's going on in the NRL every weekend...
Having sad that, i'm not overly happy with the slow starts and discipline issues which seem to have crept into Wigan's play...
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| Quote ChrisA="ChrisA"With the way the league is now the first 2/3 of the season mean very little. Form means nothing, you need Form for the last 5-6 games. We've don't it previous and so have Huddersfield, no point blasting away now only to burn out.'"
In that case it may be time for a plan B in marketing (even though Wigan do not seem to have one on the field),
They should work out what they think a season ticket should cost and then manipulate the charges as follows.
First two thirds of the season charge 30% less that the seasonal figure arrived at and for the last third of the season (when everyone says is the only time that matters) charge 30% over the average.
This post as been done with tongue firmly in cheek, the only problem is some fans may think it is the way forward.
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| Quote Madderzahatter="Madderzahatter"=#BF0000We're also missing an marquee player or two who can put bums on seats. A Barrett, Robinson, Tomkins or anyone else who can lift the crowd. I'm more concerned with the level of mediocrity in SL in general. It's quite worrying when you consider what's going on in the NRL every weekend...
Having sad that, i'm not overly happy with the slow starts and discipline issues which seem to have crept into Wigan's play...'"
Whilst I can understand what you are saying the problem is that those marquee players when they were here were taking up over 30% of the salary cap.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Whilst I can understand what you are saying the problem is that those marquee players when they were here were taking up over 30% of the salary cap.'"
Sure, completely understand that, which is why IMO the salary cap has to go up (i'd give London an even higher cap) to make Super League more competitive. Otherwise, all our best talent will continue to leave...
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| Quote Madderzahatter="Madderzahatter"Sure, completely understand that, which is why IMO the salary cap has to go up (i'd give London an even higher cap) to make Super League more competitive. Otherwise, all our best talent will continue to leave...'"
It's the same argument that has gone round and round pretty much since the SL salary cap was introduced. The cap needs to go up to prevent the top stars from leaving to other codes/leagues that can afford to pay higher wages, but not enough (if any) SL teams could afford to pay those wages even if the cap allowed it, and some of the ones that probably could afford a higher cap have said they don't want it to increase anyway.
The SC hasn't really acheived one criteria it was supposed to by spreading the top talent throughout the division, many of the best players from the "lower" teams still end up moving to the "bigger" clubs. But until every club is able to comfortably spend the full SC each year, and still function as a business, is there any viable alternative?
The dilemma really is do we raise the cap to a level that only 3 or 4 teams would be able to afford, leading to a bigger gulf in standards between the top SL teams and the bottom ones, but by doing so allowing those 3 or 4 teams to be able to match offers coming in from Union or the NRL?
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| Quote Madderzahatter="Madderzahatter"Sure, completely understand that, which is why IMO the salary cap has to go up (i'd give London an even higher cap) to make Super League more competitive. Otherwise, all our best talent will continue to leave...'"
You cant favour any team with a higher cap, that would make a complete mockery of promotion and relegation.
But raise the cap all round, to something like infinity for those who can afford it
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| Quote wigan pie man="wigan pie man"You cant favour any team with a higher cap, that would make a complete mockery of promotion and relegation.
But raise the cap all round, to something like infinity for those who can afford it'"
I'm sure London already have a higher cap related to the vastly higher cost of living down there.
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| How Dudson still gets a spot in the team is beyond me. He surely must have something incriminating on Wane.
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| Dudson has never kicked on from when we first signed him. He got himself fit so fair play to him but he's never used that as a positive. He doesn't run his weight, his defence is suspect and his discipline is poor. I've been waiting for him to have that moment where the penny drops like it did with somebody like Sam Moa at Hull but it doesn't look like happening.
It's a shame because physically he's got everything he needs.
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| Quote ShortArse="ShortArse"the point of the SL is to make the play-offs and ensure that over the season you learn your best setup, and protect your best players for the play-offs.
Winning against London and learning that a few players are not up to it (Dudson) but others (Williams) are worth perservering with, is invaluable.
I dont want us to win the LLS and enter the play-offs with green backups and a word out 1st XIII'"
That would be true if Wane was playing a computer game caled "SL Championship manager" or something where the only person he had to please was himself.
Meanwhile back in the real world sport is supposed to be about entertainment and the fans want entertaining.
The majority of fans don't sit there thinking yet another naff disjointed league performance doesn't matter.
If it[i really[/i doesn't matter the fans will simply stop going and eventually we really won't have a team worth watching.
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| Quote sergeant pepper="sergeant pepper"I fully agree with what you are saying about being in a rebuilding process.
Unfortunately the fact that we are in our current position is one the reasons for fans being peed off. We should NEVER have been allowed to slump into our current position. It was only 2010 when we had a world class coach, a quality assistant and a team brimming with quality young players set to put a decade of dominance in the history books.'"
I completely agree. Never mind 2010, we have gone from double winners to a rebuilding process in an off season. That is just poor. Fans can see this and are frustrated when it manifests itself by poor performances against the liles of London with not that many changes to the team.
Quote sergeant pepperFans aren't muggs. They can see other clubs keeping hold of their best talent but yet the complete opposite happening at Wigan. Fans aren't going to be happy watching us go 10-0 down to London knowing that a few years ago we had a team that would rip them apart and smash them in defence.
The Wigan club should be looking more at themselves rather than slating their own fans.'"
Many predicted problems at Warrington as they hung onto players too long. Our problems are because we don't hold onto players long enough and/or manage the departure of key players well enough.
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