it is strange how many games have gone the same way, apart fron the hull game, every loss has been similar hold our own in the first 40 and capitulate in the second 40.
we have nothing to offer the play offs and will be out in two weeks, green has lost the plot, tomkins has no interest and i have to say if he plays for the warriors like he has for wigan he won't last long there either.

lloret asjust got noisy somthing about wigan going to see the pope in rome ????????

To play devils advocate, none are top 5 teams. Widnes and london are fodder and bent over, and we all know about hulls performance in the final.

Theres just as valid an argument that it's simply cicrumstancial that wigans last 3 must win games, have been against, to be blunt about it, sh*t teams.

Against who though? Against the sides who can't defend Tomkins and your main set play or the sides who can? Wigan have either never hit any sort of top form against top-4 sides or they have and it hasn't been good enough.

Without taking the p!ss, you'll have an infinitely tougher run to get to the Grand Final than you had to get to the Challenge Cup.

At last a prop forward who can actually pass a ball in the tackle well done Andy Powell but somebody will have to have a word with him as they don't do that at Wigan!

You will see a totally different Wigan side from next week onwards to what we've seen in recent league fixtures. Will it be enough to win the GF? I'm not sure but we'll come close.

We've got plenty more to give. Keep the faith and get behind the side.

Hull performace in the final was down to them and us putting them under pressure. Something we have not done in almost any of the rounds after getting 4th spot. But the same against Huddersfield the lack of the players going for the legs when tackling was worrying. But come the final hardly a tackle got missed.

So was wigans performance tonight down to leeds putting them under pressure? Or is it different now?

I certainly didn't see wigan surrendering posession under little pressure early in the tackle count, as hull did numerous times during the CC final.

Are you watching the same game as me? Watch his chase back for the BJB interception and then is reaction when he can't quite get there. To say he has no interest is farcical.

I think it may take us 2 weeks to really hit the straps but I agree 100% we have and will give a lot more from now on.

Dominated all across the pitch, it'll take a miracle to turn this form around.

Said at the game tonight that a defeat next week may not do us much harm. If we do we'll probably play Hudds then Saints then Hudds again (presuming we beat Saints) and that's no bad run.

I think our recent run of league defeats may just give a few teams a false sense of security against us and that's dangerous.