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| Quote: Horatio Yed "On Cas, Wakey and Fev they should have all sold their grounds built a stadium in say Normanton and shared that a merger of stadiums. The could have called it the Calder-on (see what i did there)
One stadium could really have helped them with finances but as usual common sense out the window.
If we were poor or Widnes had to sell i'd have no issue sharing a stadium.'"
Great idea except
Cas cant flog Weldon Road, Wakey dont own their ground real estate in Fev doesnt have much value oh and we dont have a council prepared to fund a stadium probably because there are three teams in the District. Wakefield will be moving to Newmarket 2015/16 into a new stadium the other teams have been offered a place to play there but have rejected. Fev are doing Post Office Road up having bought second hand stand and seast from Scarborough FC
You say if you were poor or had to sell you would share who with? Warrington or Saints, wouldnt that be the death of your club?
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| Quote: REDWHITEANDBLUE "here we go Wakey/Cas/Fev merger its likje chalk and cheese over here
Perhaps Wigan and saints would be a good merger at least you wouldnt have to annoy Wigan Athletic or the Premier league ruining the pitch you would surely fill Langtree between you, Oh I forgot even though the geography is just as close it wouldnt happen as you both have your identities!silly me.
As for merger I would rather see my club go into oblivion and think of the memories that watch a convoluted side that has no affinity to an area.
Hull/Hull KR
Widnes/Warrington
Leeds/Bradford (they have an airport)
Wigan/Saints
Should be considered in mergers the league would be sorted out overnight leave London and the French Team(s) make it an expensive weekend out evrytime you are awaay from home abosolute recipe for success in a recession.
I follow my team because its in my blood not because we believe we have a right to a trophy each year by hook or by crook.
Rant over NO MERGERS
Most of the mergers mentioned there don't make sense though. With the exception of Bradford those teams are all profitable or at least safe money wise.
Plus they're mostly at opposite ends. Except Wigan and Saints and the Hulls. For example warrington and Widnes one is a top side the other isn't what would be in it for warringon? Same with Leeds and Bradford.
Wakey, Cas and Fev are all lower struggling sides who will struggle to carry on if they're stretching the money over 24 teams.
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| Quote: hula89 "Most of the mergers mentioned there don't make sense though. With the exception of Bradford those teams are all profitable or at least safe money wise.
Plus they're mostly at opposite ends. Except Wigan and Saints and the Hulls. For example warrington and Widnes one is a top side the other isn't what would be in it for warringon? Same with Leeds and Bradford.
Wakey, Cas and Fev are all lower struggling sides who will struggle to carry on if they're stretching the money over 24 teams.'"
You dont really know much do you. Really shouldn't comment on things you know nothing about. A merger would set us back
Fev are not struggling at all. Was at the fev forum last night and everything is rosey. We have cash to spend but due to the low salary cap of our league we cant spend it.
We own our own ground which is currently being redeveloped. We may not draw in crowds of 8k every week but we dont need to. Everything we sell in our OWN ground goes into our bank. No rent to pay.
Featherstone are all for these proposals and will go full time if or when this happens and fev become a SL 2 team.
The youth set up at Featherstone is very good and they are on with plans to improve with a full time academy.
Featherstone are also one of only 4 teams in rugby league who have increased their crowds. an increase from average of 1666 to 2600 in less than 3 years and an highest gate this season of 3700 is fantastic for a team outside of superleage where its not unusal for away teams to bring about 20 fans. Obviously with entry to sl2 and more competative games there still huge scope for improvement.
Maybe if Superleague clubs spent more time developing young players and increasing their attendances there wouldn't be such a huge reliance on SL handouts. Fev dont see the difference in SL money with this system as a problem as long as there is an increase in salary cap for them
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| Personally i like to see RFL looking to change the system as currently it doesnt work. The issue for me though is them 1st 11 games and how they are decided. Can you imagine for instance if Salford finished 8th and Hull KR finished 9th and there was only a point between them, but the match between the 2 teams was played at Salford which Salford won, surely that is an unfair advantage for Salford which over a normal season wouldnt happen. Hull KR are disadvantaged and for 2/3 of a year are playing just to be in the top league, when in theory they could be challenging for a top 6 spot. Throw into that equation the possibility of teams getting players injured through no fault of their own, matches postponed due to snow and having to be played midweek to catch up and the teams playing in the WCC, its hard to see how it would be fair.
I just want to see a top division where it is really competitive from top to bottom. Im not fussed about promotion/relegation. Guess theres no easy answer really but the competition has to be fair on all teams.
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| No division is going to be competitive from top to bottom without relegation.
worst thing Sl ever did was remove releagtion. look at the championship in football this year and exiting the relegation battle has been. resulting in a fantastic day at Hudders ground last saturday.
I like the new system. The fixtures would be drawn at start of season and all teams would know where they stand.
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| Quote: fevfan76 "No division is going to be competitive from top to bottom without relegation. '"
Why would that make a [idivision [/icompetitive?
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| Quote: Father Ted "I do think there will be something very unpleasant in all this.
There has been so much talk about Wakey and Cas and their troubles, mainly financial that I do think they will be given an ultimatum, either merge as we are only having one club from the Wakefield MBC in Super League.
It may then be left to them both, or all three clubs in the area to sort it out.
We have two very uncompetitive clubs now in Wakey and Cas and maybe SL see it as one club from a population of approx 375k in a rugby league mad area could be a top four club and challenging for honours every year.
With some of the players in SL but not at those clubs it would seem a distinct possibility.
Whether they will overcome their own allegiencies and create a British StGeorge/Illawara I don't know but I simply can't see SL continuing with Rugby League in its currrent state in the area.
Hey Love, where did you put that tin hat??????????'"
You won`t for sure get a good side merging 2 clubs, it is only a ploy to get shut of a club.
And you would not be advocating it if Wigan and Saints were suggested as a merge.
This would not crop up if both Wakey and Cas were in the top end of the league, which could happen next season. You never know what could crop up, as who would have expected Saints to be struggling to hang on to 8th position this season with a new supercoach in residence.
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| Quote: Giantscorpio "You won`t for sure get a good side merging 2 clubs, it is only a ploy to get shut of a club.
And you would not be advocating it if Wigan and Saints were suggested as a merge.
This would not crop up if both Wakey and Cas were in the top end of the league, which could happen next season. You never know what could crop up, as who would have expected Saints to be struggling to hang on to 8th position this season with a new supercoach in residence.'"
OOH, not bitter then... lol
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| Super League and Championship clubs will vote on the following three optionshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/22488221rl
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| So all the furor around this "crazy" new league structure, and it's actually just something that's been put in as a 3rd, wildcard option alongside 2 other completely reasonable suggestions?
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| Quote: TaxingChimp "So all the furor around this "crazy" new league structure, and it's actually just something that's been put in as a 3rd, wildcard option alongside 2 other completely reasonable suggestions?'"
Options 1 and 2 and pretty much what the fans have been suggesting for years, there's no mention that option 2 will involve promotion and relegation.
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| Quote: TrentBarrett "Options 1 and 2 and pretty much what the fans have been suggesting for years, there's no mention that option 2 will involve promotion and relegation.'"
Good point. I'm for some kind of promotion and relegation, but I think potentially going semi-proffesional to proffesional and vice versa could prove a problem. If we could somehow get 2 leagues of 10 on similar salary caps and funding from the RFL it could work quite well... getting that however, well!
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| I fail to see how any of thos suggestions will improve anything. It may apease a few clubs in the championship but I fail to see how it will actually improve anything. The NRL is the most competetive rugby comp in the world because it has 16 teams of good quality who are capable of beating each other on any given day, yes some are better than others but overall the standard is excellent. There's is no P & R and a top 8 play off system but the week in week out intensity is always high.
The structure of the league isn't the issue, the infastructure of a lot of the SL clubs is. Changing the structure of the league and affecting the stability of the lower clubs won't improve that.
I'd also question whether full time SL is sustainable in places like Fev, Leigh, Batley and Workington. There's a couple of clubs like Halifax, and Sheffield who might be able sustain full time RL long term but, it will take a lot longer than a few months for them to be able to build a good enough infastructure off the field, and a squad good enough to avoid relegation and be competetive.
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| Quote: Charlie Sheen "I fail to see how any of thos suggestions will improve anything. It may apease a few clubs in the championship but I fail to see how it will actually improve anything. The NRL is the most competetive rugby comp in the world because it has 16 teams of good quality who are capable of beating each other on any given day, yes some are better than others but overall the standard is excellent. There's is no P & R and a top 8 play off system but the week in week out intensity is always high.
The structure of the league isn't the issue, the infastructure of a lot of the SL clubs is. Changing the structure of the league and affecting the stability of the lower clubs won't improve that.
I'd also question whether full time SL is sustainable in places like Fev, Leigh, Batley and Workington. There's a couple of clubs like Halifax, and Sheffield who might be able sustain full time RL long term but, it will take a lot longer than a few months for them to be able to build a good enough infastructure off the field, and a squad good enough to avoid relegation and be competetive.'"
The top 4 in the NRL are head and shoulders above the rest, the concept that all NRL teams are equally as competitive is nonsense.
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| Quote: TrentBarrett "The top 4 in the NRL are head and shoulders above the rest, the concept that all NRL teams are equally as competitive is nonsense.'"
They are, but the overall intensity week in week out is still far higher than in SL. There're still some poor games and wide blowout scores as well but you don't see the Austrailians introducing radical new league structures that won't actually fix anything.
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