You have put it in a nutshell....

I wouldn't even say the variations need working on. There are 4 possible variations of that set up.

1 - Finch puts SR through gap.
2 - Sam comes through and does what Sam does best.
3 - Sam puts centre away.
4 - Sam puts winger away having missed out centre.

We have scored tries from all 4 of those plays this season. The problem is that if the forwards don't get a quick PTB (which they didn't against Wire) then it won't work, but that is true of most teams key moves.

This.

It isn't the structures but the application. The amount of variation that can be applied is huge. If anyone has played the game to a decent standard and has come up against a team who can pull this sort of structure off efficiently it is virtually unstoppable. The amount of confusion the possible variation causes means even the very best teams have to hang back in defence. There isn't any need to have a book of 'set moves' because having one structure from which the halves/Sam can choose to play however they like is much more effective, when it is applied correctly.

I think the whole issue revolves around not having Tommy within that structure when he was injured.

I agree with much that has been said, for me it’s not overly complicated why we’ve had a bad drop in form, the loss of Tommy yes, but I’m not a big advocate of the one man makes a team brigade. no I think the main problem is not so much the backs, nor plan A, B or Z, I may be being over simplistic but I like simplicity in RL, for me the main reason is that the forwards have not been anywhere near as effective in the last couple of months. The platform for the backs to do their stuff has diminished; and the go forward is not as aggressive or as dominant as it was. Without a very good pack performance no matter how good the rest, you can forget it! The lack of good field position, and ok the weak kicking game from the backs doesn’t help that, but I still maintain that 80% of the problem, IMO is in the forwards.

If you look most of the top sides in SL use the same set moves, the reason they work for the top sides and therefore the reason they are at the top of the league is because they execute them better than most other teams. Also as has been pointed the 'one' set move we have does not have just one outcome there are at least 5 potential plays that can be made when using the move depending on how defenders react to it

Spot on.

Our backs are good but they like any set will struggle to perform if the forward pack doesn't get on top. About 2-3 months back Lima, Mossop, Dudson, Hansen, McIlorum etc were ripping teams to shreds and the backs could have played in dinner suits but a lot of those guys I mention have lost form or in Dudsons case been injured and the whole side lost it's momentum.

On the plus side I thought we saw the fire come back in the majority of the packs bellies on Friday and we need to carry that on now. I'm confident we can get on top of any pack when we really want it.

Do that and these backs can cut any team up.

The title of this thread is in itself a joke, given that a lot of people had written Waney off after round one and predicted us to finish lower than last year.

The structure's are there in place for the players to use. It's just down to how they execute it. Obviously if Micky/Finch/Tommy/Sam make a poor decision then the move breaks down. Wane has basically used to same moves/structures that were already in place from Mag which he got from Melbourne working under Bellamy. Melbournes structures have improved slightly since then but that is irrelevent to us. All this garbage off we only have one move is a load off nonsense, if you actually watch the game they execute many variations off spread plays with either Micky finding the half with a dummy runner or two props take the ball to the line and hit the half "around the back" from then he has 3 options as does Micky/finch/tommy/sam...
1.run the ball
2.hit the forward on a short lead (like finch has done with hock many times this season)
3.go round the back.

If each half and dummy runner does his job this will create space for either a lead or more often than not. Sam who has finished many tries last season and this season from doing exactly that.
A new structure is not needed. It works. It just needs to be executed properly.
The only time this structure doesn't work is if...
1.Forwards don't win the floor which results in a slow play the ball and allows line speed from the defence to neutralise the attack.
2. Stupid mistakes i.e Micky getting sent off, bad decisions, knock one etc..

Spot on. The forwards by and large have been off the boil for some time now and arent laying the foundations and without them setting the platform any RL team will struggle. If the fowards can up their game, get their aggression back and make the hard yards then the rest will come.

Nice quote !

IMHO the backs ought to dress in top hat and tails. Spats optional.

We lost that particular game to ts rotation policy thus season not an excuse he put a team out he thought was capable of winning, evidently not as he has done a few times but in hindsight it has reaped its rewards from our (wire) point of view as we go into the playoffs lookin an minimal ievious poster mentioneany points you have racked up ,we ate more the capable ourselves as proven last season. Ts wanted the shield last season obviously he wanted a gf appearance but to no avail, I only hope we don't choke again but I'm hoping his tradition of taking us one step closer each year comes to fruition and we get there and hopefully the long awaited Wire v Wigan final will happen

Shock, horror the forwards play well and lay the platform and we play well and win convincingly. Our attack looked sharp and precise and it was a much better all round performance. The backs can never do anything unless the pack can get on top, or at least be competitive, as anyone who has played or watched RL knows and this has been the problem in recent weeks. I dont know why Wane has got slaughtered by some after every defeat or poor performance, even after week 1, rather than the players where the blame lies. It seems that some didnt want Wane in charge and wrote him off and now just look for any reason to have a dig because they have already decided that he isnt the man for the job.

TBH Jeff. You're talking b*llocks. How the hell would Wire know how to play in a Grand Final?