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| Quote Paul Youane="Paul Youane"For somebody who has such strong views about the inept manner in which the RFL and its member clubs are apparently run I am always amazed that you have such little understanding of what is actually involved.
How much do you think Wigan pay in total per month on salaries?'"
£3.50 and a pie
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| Quote Conroy="Conroy"£3.50 and a pie'"
Do pies count towards the cap? We may get accused of breaking "the crust of the cap".
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| Quote Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"Maybe because clubs employ people other than players perhaps? In any case the actual monthly salary figure is closer to £300k per month according to the administrator.'"
Of course. Point is they are obviously still employing players "above their means".
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| If Bradford Went and they expunged their record, the table would become
Wigan P17 P28
Warrington P17 P25
St Helens P17 P22
Catalan P16 P22
Huddersfield P17 P20
Hull KR P17 P19
Leeds P16 P18
Hull P16 P18
Wakefield P16 P12
Salford P16 P10
Castleford P16 P10
London P17 P6
Widnes P17 P6
Saints, Hull KR would be beneficiaries. Catalan, Leeds and Hull would drop back a place. Salford the biggest losers. Top 8 qualifiers pretty much all in with a 6 point gap.
But what would happen to Leeds. As the only club to play them three times, they would suffer worst and the "Magic Weekend" surely means that just wiping the record isn't possible? Hard to see how the RFL can get out of that one, if it happens.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"Of course. Point is they are obviously still employing players "above their means".'"
So how does this sit with your continued insistence that the salary cap is holding the game back?
Are you suggesting that all clubs that are operating at a loss should be obliged to reduce their player expenditure so that they exist "within their means"?
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| Suggestion that if they go everyone will just simply get two points for every game v Bradford. Might be an idea then to just set all those results at 26-0 (default scoreline) to everyone and its all fair. Although Leeds would get a gift two points as I just alluded to.
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| Quote Bilko="Bilko"But what would have to Leeds. As the only club to play them three times, they would suffer worse. Hard to see how the RFL can get out of that one, if it happens.'"
As my earlier post only way to address would be to dismiss all of Bradford's results and award every club two points from each of the voided fixtures whether the game had already been played or not no matter what the score had been.
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| Give everyone 4 points and a +52 points diff. Or alternatively just give everyone 2 points and +26 from here on in who play Bradford.
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| Quote XBrettKennyX="XBrettKennyX"Of course. Point is they are obviously still employing players "above their means".'"
And that is the fault of the cap how?
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| Quote Conroy="Conroy"Give everyone 4 points and a +52 points diff. Or alternatively just give everyone 2 points and +26 from here on in who play Bradford.'"
How does that address the additional Manchester fixture for Leeds?
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| Quote Paul Youane="Paul Youane"How does that address the additional Manchester fixture for Leeds?'"
That third Leeds fixture means that no matter what happens, Leeds are going to be advantaged or disadvantaged in some way. If all Bradford games are taken out they'll had played one game less than anyone else.
If the worse happens (which I don't expect anyway) I'd suggest, all home and away fixtures v Bradford are taken off the records completely, but the neutral fixture Leeds had at Manchester stays on the record. That way all teams are being treated the same in terms of home and away games and Leeds play the same number of games as everyone else.
Nothing is going to be perfect but I'd say that's about as fair as it could be.
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| Quote Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"And that is the fault of the cap how?'"
Because they removed the "50% of income or £1.6m whichever is the lower" rule. All clubs can spend to the cap limit now regardless of if they can afford to. As I am sure you remember this change was introduced so the cap could be "live" following the outrage from the likes of Cas at Wigan's cap-breaking antics. So it's not the fault of the cap if a club is stupid enough to overspend but it is certainly true the cap has nothing to do with ensuring clubs do not go bust.
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