From a financial point of view the DW is the place to be and related to facilities the KC is the only stadium which can match it. Saints new ground while it is their own will just be the HJ with corners and a slightly higher capacity. It will still look a bit like lego.

From a a die hard fan point of view, I would pick our own stadium even if it did look like lego any day of the week.

Anybody seen the original plans for a 20k stadium where central park was?

Anyway, I honestly do not believe latics will be maintained as a premierleague club, they will end up switching between league 1 and 2 and I fully believe one day we will get the chance to make this stadium our own. I honestly believe that. It will begin if latics get relegated this season. I would love eventually to have a standing section in the back half of the south stand and maybe in the North stand as well.

Do attendances reflect that a majority don't like the stadium? NO, so right now we do not have a major problem and we have one of the top two facilities in the league.

Lets be honest the only serious difference between our place and saints new ground is that they have their own badge on it and nobody elses and they are in a shed load of debt.

Quote Arthur Warrior="Arthur Warrior"Good disabled facilities (where are the disabled facilities at Warrington?) '" www.warringtonwolves.org/disable ... rters-info Quote Arthur Warrior="Arthur Warrior" Saints have fallen into the same trap that Warrington have by not having an all seated stadium. We are proud to call rugby league a family sport and yet we continually harp on about having terraced areas at stadiums. Try going to Warrington and watching the game from the away end while kneeling down and you will get an idea of what its like for kids and anyone under 5'6" tall. It will be the same at Saints, you will see dads taking kids to a brand new stadium and taking a milk crate for them to stand on. '" What about the adults who work hard and pay for a ticket and want to stand. The HJ is perfect in that it is 50% standing 50% seating. He's a thought next time you come to the HJ, buy a ticket in the North stand, rocket science it ain't.

Quote Arthur Warrior="Arthur Warrior"Good disabled facilities (where are the disabled facilities at Warrington?) '" www.warringtonwolves.org/disable ... rters-info Quote Arthur Warrior="Arthur Warrior" Saints have fallen into the same trap that Warrington have by not having an all seated stadium. We are proud to call rugby league a family sport and yet we continually harp on about having terraced areas at stadiums. Try going to Warrington and watching the game from the away end while kneeling down and you will get an idea of what its like for kids and anyone under 5'6" tall. It will be the same at Saints, you will see dads taking kids to a brand new stadium and taking a milk crate for them to stand on. '" What about the adults who work hard and pay for a ticket and want to stand. The HJ is perfect in that it is 50% standing 50% seating. He's a thought next time you come to the HJ, buy a ticket in the North stand, rocket science it ain't.

It used to bother the heck out of me. But over the years I've just come to except it. It can be a soulless stadium at times. But facilities wise and for location it's pretty damn good.

I shall look forward to when we move into our new stadium in around 50+ years time. Fingers crossed I'll be here to see it.

Only problem I have with the JJB/DW Stadium is the corners are not filled in so sometimes the atmosphere gets lost and all the fans feel seperate. I'd like it if our stadium was more like Hull FC's KC Stadium or Reading's Madjeski Stadium. I'm very happy with the stadium though and its one of the best in the league.

I've always thought aswell I'd love to be in the away end of the stadium like the JJB/DW. Full with 5000 fans with a great view of the game, the atmosphere would be rocking. Also add the decent prices, away fans coming to Wigan have it easy!

You're entirely right, Alex. It's not the just the big developers either.

I did up a tiny little terraced building in Shevington that required a simple planning application. I was still stung for £400 as a 'voluntary contribution' towards the upkeep of the local park.

They said voluntary, but the reality of the situation was that if I didn't 'contribute', they wouldn't release the outcome of the planning application to me, the robbing barstards.

If they can sting me like that, for a pi55y little job like the one I was doing, what must they sting the big companies for?

Not trying to stir up trouble here, but I wonder how many people who complain about Wigan RL not owning their stadium, live in rented houses? Is it really any different?

The value you get from ANY piece of property - house, shop, stadium, office - is in the USE of that property, not necessarily the ownership of it.

Wigan need a bigger stadium than the Warringtons and St Helenses of this world - and you can tell that the DW cost a hell of a lot more to build than their stadiums did just by looking at it - size, facilities, seats, everything. For any British RL club to be able to afford something like the DW, ownership isn't an option right now. It just isn't. There would need to be a LOT more money in the game.

Think of it as being able to afford the deposit on a rented house - a few hundred quid - as opposed to a few THOUSAND quid on the deposit on a house you want to buy.

What is right for one club, business or individual, is not necessarily right for everyone.

I bet Wakefield wish they had one as crap.

It's a football stadium pal. The parking around it is top notch, although not if you want to get back home that same day.

It's actually a multi sports stadium.

I'm puzzled by this "designed for football" view.

Does the all seater thing really make a difference to people? While I can remember my younger years at CP, e.g. trying to see around the person infront or around a supporting post just as a try was scored there's no way that I would want to go back to limited views and the like. Oh, how I miss the gents or the smell of urine as it trickled down the kop when people couldn't be bothered making a trip.

What would a brand new owned stadium on the old site deliver? Some standing options? Less parking? A shorter walk into town? A "standard" concrete stadium with none of the character?

I'm not impressed by the Warrington's groud, Salford new one with tiny end sections looks odd and I suspect that Saint's ground when complete will still be a bit sterrile and characterless having not grown orginically over a number of years. The East Manchester and New Wembeley leave me cold, large and impressive but not inviting at all.

You say that like the DW has character, it doesn't.... but I agree with your point that no new stadium really has character.

As a Wire fan, I can honestly say that I wish our stadium was all-seater. Having people ignorantly push past you, every two mins is very annoying.