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Quote: Yed "I thought i'd search myself as i agree, i shouldn't just take things as fact.

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But, if we didn't have Pat, we may have ran the ball more and scored more tries !!!!!!, as I said, if's and but's............. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: twosevenzero "]


But, if we didn't have Pat, we may have ran the ball more and scored more tries !!!!!!, as I said, if's and but's.............
I agree, the last bit of my post was being a bit playful

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Quote: Yed "I agree, the last bit of my post was being a bit playful'"



Fair enough icon_wink.gif , do you think Westwood will do any kicking again this year, or will it be mainly BH and Briers ?

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ourselves and complacency...........but im sure Madge will take care of that obstacle

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Quote: twosevenzero "Fair enough
Yes at some point, we have a few good kicker just no stand out kickers, BH has addressed that.

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Quote: RhinoNeil "If we are a 'spent force' that surely means at the present time?

I know you not been arrogant and believe me your not the only one to write Leeds off. But the team getting older...yeah sure but the vast majority are still in their 20s! As for the youth I will tell you Leeds have got 5/6 younsters contending for the first places that will win international honours at some point in there careers. Nothing at all has changed from 07/08/09 and see it as sorry excuses but Leeds had a very tough season last year. Horrendous luck with injurys, a very bad heavy pitch for the first 3 months slowing play down (something you guys are concerned about at present) and we didn't have a week off until the playoffs - and we still finished 4th and the CC final, not many teams would have done that.

Now I'm not saying Leeds will walk this season by any means, but they will be there along with Wigan, Wire, Hudds and Saints having a battle royal for SL. One thing is for sure any of those 5 can win, and we dont say that every year do we.'"


Absolute rubbish.
Buderus 33
Cross 32
Kirke 30
Lautiti 31
Lauluai 32
Peacock 33
Senior 34
Sinfield 30
Webb 30

JJB 30 this year.

That's 10 out of your normal starting 17.

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Quote: NickyKiss "Saints. More pace in the backs '"
How so?

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Quote: RhinoNeil "If we are a 'spent force' that surely means at the present time?

I know you not been arrogant and believe me your not the only one to write Leeds off. But the team getting older...yeah sure but the vast majority are still in their 20s! As for the youth I will tell you Leeds have got 5/6 younsters contending for the first places that will win international honours at some point in there careers. Nothing at all has changed from 07/08/09 and see it as sorry excuses but Leeds had a very tough season last year. Horrendous luck with injurys, a very bad heavy pitch for the first 3 months slowing play down (something you guys are concerned about at present) and we didn't have a week off until the playoffs - and we still finished 4th and the CC final, not many teams would have done that.

Now I'm not saying Leeds will walk this season by any means, but they will be there along with Wigan, Wire, Hudds and Saints having a battle royal for SL. One thing is for sure any of those 5 can win, and we dont say that every year do we.'"


4 Teams in my opinion, Huddersfield represent a bigger threat this year than Leeds. If you finish outside the top 4 which I honestly believe you will, then your chances of getting to the grand final seriously weaken.

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Quote: Jonesy's a Legend "the culture of your club will certainly have to change if you are to be considered as serious gf contenders,i congratulate you on peaking for one off,randomly drawn out of the hat games,spaced apart by several weeks.
the fact that warrington can only peak for these types of games <as of the end of 2010 season>,clearly speaks volumes as to why you will have to seriously improve to make an inpact on the play-offs!

let's hope your goalkicker doesn't miss a single kick this season eh?
Not sure you're right here

Wire were amazingly consistent in 2010 up until they won at Wembley, considering that they had previously been totally inconsistent:

Leeds 2007 37 league points + SL Champions
Leeds 2008 42 points + SL Champions
Leeds 2009 42 points + SL Champions
Wire 2010 40 points

So they were as consistent as Leeds when they were champions, but peaked for the cup rather than the GF.

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St.Helens

Too much is being made and will continue to be made about the loss of Cunningham, i can already hear Eddie & Steve harp on about this ahead of Saturdays match.

Whilst Cunningham has been a great player for St.Helens i don't think he was the same player in 2010 as what he has been previousley and Saints have a number of other players who are more than capable of filling the void imo.

I do think that a lot will rest on both Pryce and Eastmond to really show what they can do in 2011 and behind a better pack than last season they have every reason to do that.

Saints have recruited well, Josh Perry will make a huge difference to them and his expierience will help to develop LMS too and will provide some support to Graham who has had to do far too much on his own in recent seasons.

I like the centre Shenton too, he will make Saints more of an attackong threat out wide and our centres will need to keep him under wraps on Saturday.

If Simmons can improve them further in 2011 then they will be serious title contendors.

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Quote: chatham warrior "we will be.
us.
ourselves
after that probs wire or saints but on paper they don't really frighten me.
leeds could be a wounded animal as everyone has said they are a spent force but again on paper they don't scare me.
Wigan have to be on their metal more so this season, everyone always wants to beat Wigan and that be compounded by us being CHAMPIONS now so we need to be even more focused than last season.
just my thoughts but we could be our own biggest danger. I really hope and quite frankly can't see it unless something goes wrong and after todays announcements from the club i can't see that either.
so to answer the question
OUR SELVES'"


There's always one.

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I'd be tempted to say Warrington but there's just something telling me that they ain't quite ready yet. Mind you, everyone said that about Wigan this time last season.

Besides Wire, it's got to be Saints IMO. They may of lost KC but they still have an incredible team.

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I actually think winning the CC was the nail in the coffin for Wire regards winning the GF, i even discussed with my brother that if we win the CC we'll do nothing after that but if we lose we'll get to Old Trafford.

I'm not saying winning the double isn't possible but it is a massive ask mentally nowadays with a few teams so evenly matched.

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So much will depend on injuries - or lack of them. The team amongst the recognised top 6 that suffers the least will probably challenge Wigan the most.

Several teams ( Saints, Wire, Huddersfield and Leeds) have a team of 13/17 that may well match Wigan. Where Wigan currently have a big advantage is that we could have half a dozen or even more injuries and still not significantly weaken the team - hence all the discussion about who to leave out at MM, despite already having a few key players out injured ( Richards, Finch - maybe a couple of others, Gleeson, Fielden, Hansen).

If Eastmond or Pryce is injured Saints will struggle as they did in the GF. If the other teams lose more than a a few players, as they inevitably will in the course of a season, they will also struggle.

Fingers crossed, but Wigan seem to have an even stronger squad than last year - Lima, Hoffmann and Finch instead of Feka, Bailey and Ainscough/Phelps. Plus, our youngsters are a year older/better - Faz, Tuson, Goulding, Charnley, Micky Mac. Losing Riddell is the unknown factor and hopefully we will find the right solution with a combination of MM, Tommy, Deacon or Logan.

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Quote: jdrocket "The point is still valid.
It was a hypothetical, you don't get credit for working that out.

The point is... If we had Brett last year (the variable) and he made (let's say) 90% of his kicks, Wire would be top?

And he is right.

Your point only works if he didn't qualify it with Brett. If he had said say... If Westwood was a better kicker, we would have been top.

You see? I may be confusing the issue.'"

....and since when was Hodgson a good enough kicker to put 90% over? He kicked 72% last year. Interestingly Westwood kicked 80% so I really don't think it would have made that much difference.

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