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Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good - sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league - Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate - the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever - Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go - Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know - FIOS:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_39110.jpg



Quote: Rogues Gallery "You've got to realise that H was very young when Noble came to Wigan and noble eased him into the first team.

Hansen will probably feel a great deal of loyalty to Noble.'"


I doubt it will affect him in any way. You are right to say Hansen has been great for us recently.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Sorry if that was how you took my post, it was never intended that way. I'm a big fan of Hansen and I don't think many appreciate how hard he works. I also believe he has a tremendous professional attitude, he certainly is no dummy spitter.'"


No I didn't take it that way. I was just making a general point from your post.

I like Harrison Hansen. I think with the salary cap you need players who can do a solid job for you. He has the best tackling technique at the club IMO and is a solid defender. Takes the ball up strong and hits the line hard, much more than he used to.

And at 23 his best years are definately in front of him. It would be foolish to let him go because of how much Wigan have invested in his development and to let another team benefit from this would be foolish. As long as he continues to develop and improve at the level he is doing each season I would extend his contract for another two years.

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Paul King from Hull FC will end up at Celtic.

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we have to get george signed up ASAP in my opinion.

we finally have a settled 1-7 and george is definately worth another couple of years. Id be tempted to loan goulding to them on a week by week loan again. and stick with pryce and thornley and bailey as back up to the centre as either one of those could play centre.

id give carmont 2 years purly on the basis of him being able to do a job and being, as shown in the playoffs, our best strike player. in his second year we should be looking at easing thornley in to take over when carmont retires and goulding should be eased in to gleesons position.

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With all due respect to Celtic, I can't see any of our players WANTING to leave, just because Nobby has gone there. There is a zero per cent chance of winning anything, and it's likely they might lose their SL franchise too.
With MM and SW taking over, it has brought a wave of optimism within the fans, so you have to assume the players feel the same.
If next year's coaches are going to change things for the better, I'm confident all the players would want to stay and win something.

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Quote: Odemwingie "Just what I had heard man, calm down!

Knee Jerk or what!

Shock horror, what I have heard might be wrong
If it is wrong, it isn't far wrong.

Wigan dropped out of the auction for King when it was approaching the £200 grand mark. Wire fans can whinge all they want, but our info on this is at least as good as theirs.

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Anyone who works at the Inland revenue can find out what any players wage is.

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Quote: TheSurgeon "Anyone who works at the Inland revenue can find out what any players wage is.'"


Or in some players cases anyone that works in Costco can find out! A few players have left their payslips in there while they've been joining up. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: kevl84 "Or in some players cases anyone that works in Costco can find out! A few players have left their payslips in there while they've been joining up.
Whilst they may be able to find out what his salary is, i suspect we'll never know the full picture of what his actual earnings are icon_wink.gif

NOTE I AM NOT REFERRING TO ANY SPECIFIC PLAYER OR CLUB

PURELY HYPOTHETICAL.

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If Carmont went I would literally cry. Best Wigan player for a good few years easily.

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I like Carmont, would want him to stay.

But if he wants a deal that means some of the players that have come through our own system such as Goulding or Thornley, feel they have to move on. With regret, I would wish him well and move on.

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As the only obvious room for manoeuvre (on the salary cap) for MM is from Carmont and Bailey's wages, I would hazard a guess that the reason that both haven't re-signed, is evidence that IL believes that MM may wish to explore other options?

Personally, I like the pair of them as club men, as I did Nobby, but staying faithful to good lads may not be the best route to winning trophies? This is a controversial view in our household, I guess it's only a shame that both are getting on and appear to becoming susceptible to injuries, or we wouldn't be questioning these 2 class servants futures.

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Quote: R Douglas "As the only obvious room for manoeuvre (on the salary cap) for MM is from Carmont and Bailey's wages, I would hazard a guess that the reason that both haven't re-signed, is evidence that IL believes that MM may wish to explore other options?

Personally, I like the pair of them as club men, as I did Nobby, but staying faithful to good lads may not be the best route to winning trophies? This is a controversial view in our household, I guess it's only a shame that both are getting on and appear to becoming susceptible to injuries, or we wouldn't be questioning these 2 class servants futures.'"


I think it's indicative of how much the standards of Wigan fans have been brutalised in recent years that we get senitmental about the 'good lads' in our team. George Carmont is indeed a good lad, but he's also 32 - and as long as he's here, he's going to prevent a younger centre getting a first team place or the club signing an even better centre from somewhere else. Bailey is an even more obvious example, as he's on bigger wages, has been a less effective player and is reportedly struggling with a long-term injury.

The NRL way is to replace players when they are approaching the end of their usefulness. I don't see the logic in hanging onto two guys, however much we may like them, as they progress into their 30s, when we (presumably) have ready-made replacements waiting in the wings.

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Quote: Cruncher "I don't see the logic in hanging onto two guys, however much we may like them, as they progress into their 30s, when we (presumably) have ready-made replacements waiting in the wings.'"

I see your point, but that policy has been quite effective at Saints recently, although of course it's only a short term policy (and at Saints may have run its course). icon_smile.gif

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Quote: talulah "I see your point, but that policy has been quite effective at Saints recently, although of course it's only a short term policy (and at Saints may have run its course).
It's a delicate balancing act, certainly. And whichever way it's resolved, it'll probably one of those things that will always leave some sections of the fans unhappy.

The problem these days are the overseas quota, the salary cap, etc - which don't reward clubs who want to keep their overseas veterans as part of the furniture.

I'd love George to stay at Wigan, but having him sitting on the bench or popping in and out of the lower grade teams is no longer viable. I doubt he'd be happy that himself, given that he'd be on less money and has five kids to support. This would especially be the case if some other club came along and offered him a better deal.

As I said in another thread, I think we may need to brace ourselves for George's departure. He's definitely been an IL signing that really worked out for us.

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