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Quote: Cherry.Pie "I don't think mixing up the spine is going to make too much difference if our pack can't put in a dominant performance when our opposition actually puts up a bit of resistance.

Out of our props not one really excelled. A few did some good things. Mago made a handful of strong carries but it's nothing but a brief cameo. Ellis's offload for Smith's try was smart play but ultimately the first notable thing he's done since punching Jordan Dezaria in the face. Singleton, Cooper, Havard did little of note (lets not talk about Singleton's 'effort' on Manu Ma'u).

Whether we've got Isa or KPP it's a shockingly ineffective right edge for a top level team. Isa has had a good career out of being slightly above average most games but average should never be the benchmark. KPP should have taken his chance to be a regular starter and shown what he's capable of but he's all stylish offloads with no substance (minus the stylish offloads). There's not enough threat from that right edge.

Powell, sometimes an easy target but I thought his decision making (40/20 aside - that was great vision) was pretty terrible tonight and there was absolutely zero pace in anything that he did. He runs the ball at the wrong times, doesn't run the ball when there's an opportunity to do so. Sometimes the easiest way to trouble teams is just to threaten middle defenders that someone quick and agile is going to run at them.'"


Some really good points here, have to disagree about Cooper - good workrate but no decent hooker to take advantage and Havard ran his blood to water in attack and defence - that there was no outcome is down to the creative players?

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I applaud McIlorum tonight. A masterclass in showing up an opposite number. Not sure where we go when the last few weeks have produced yet more peaks and troughs in performance week-to-week. Just left feeling like I’ve seen this all before last year.

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Quote: Simba16 "Some really good points here, have to disagree about Cooper - good workrate but no decent hooker to take advantage and Havard ran his blood to water in attack and defence - that there was no outcome is down to the creative players?'"


I’m with CP, that pack is not good enough to win titles. Regarding our creativity, if Cust is considered to be a halfback then trade descriptions come into play. He is slow, doesn’t have a kicking game and his distribution is poor. Oh, and his defence is shocking. He should be sat in the stands with me.

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Quote: apollosghost "Our 9 plays the game in slow motion, he's killing us'"


Our pack is killing us.

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Quote: jonh "Don’t think I said Miski is the answer. A major reshuffle even if a temporary one of the spine is though as at the moment it’s not good enough.

Changing up 1, 6, 9 which will be instigated by bringing in Miski, isn’t suggesting Miski is the answer.

I agree in regards our play once the grounds firm up, there is too much pace in the team not to play some great off the cuff attacking rugby, but like you say champions are not crowned when the conditions are suited to that style of play.'"


Unless our pack can stand up and be counted then at matters not who is selected in the spine.

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Quote: jonh "Terrible decision to go for the 2 in the second half. Lost all
Momentum and so far since got non of it back.'"

I’m still trying to,work out why they did that

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If the game was tommorrow it would be on a dry pitch

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Quote: MR FRISK "If the game was tommorrow it would be on a dry pitch'"


But with the same set of useless forwards selected.

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Quote: Zig "I’m with CP, that pack is not good enough to win titles. Regarding our creativity, if Cust is considered to be a halfback then trade descriptions come into play. He is slow, doesn’t have a kicking game and his distribution is poor. Oh, and his defence is shocking. He should be sat in the stands with me.'"


I also agree that the pack is, as a unit, not good enough - my issue is with the assessment of Cooper/Havard on their performance tonight.

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Not a totally unexpected result. A very average team who worked hard and used a few spoiling tactics totally floored us.
We have played poorly in 3 games so far this season. I exclude the Wakefield game as they we appalling in the extreme. The first half against Cas was abysmal.
Apart form Marshall not one other player has played well this season. A pretty horrendous opinion but for me it’s broadly accurate.
My worry is that we have nothing in squad to replace a team currently devoid of dog and urgency.
I put the majority of the blame with the coaching staff. When was the last time we started well?
We need to forget our CC win from nearly a year ago and get back to basics.
Our discipline in giving away cheap penalties is unforgivable.
I expect a defeat again next week and then it will be hey lads hey.
Lots of work to do and I haven’t totally written us off but realistically I can’t see us being anywhere near good enough come October. It’s going to be a long season.

Very few options but I’d replace Singleton with Byrne and Isa with Ellis dropping KPP from the squad. Not sure if that is anywhere near good enough but I don’t see any other options.
If things carry on I predict that young Forber will be playing on a regular basis come April.
Interesting times albeit very frustrating times.

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Quote: Simba16 "I also agree that the pack is, as a unit, not good enough - my issue is with the assessment of Cooper/Havard on their performance tonight.'"


Ok, I agree with that.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "Not a totally unexpected result. A very average team who worked hard and used a few spoiling tactics totally floored us.
We have played poorly in 3 games so far this season. I exclude the Wakefield game as they we appalling in the extreme. The first half against Cas was abysmal.
Apart form Marshall not one other player has played well this season. A pretty horrendous opinion but for me it’s broadly accurate.
My worry is that we have nothing in squad to replace a team currently devoid of dog and urgency.
I put the majority of the blame with the coaching staff. When was the last time we started well?
We need to forget our CC win from nearly a year ago and get back to basics.
Our discipline in giving away cheap penalties is unforgivable.
I expect a defeat again next week and then it will be hey lads hey.
Lots of work to do and I haven’t totally written us off but realistically I can’t see us being anywhere near good enough come October. It’s going to be a long season.

Very few options but I’d replace Singleton with Byrne and Isa with Ellis dropping KPP from the squad. Not sure if that is anywhere near good enough but I don’t see any other options.
If things carry on I predict that young Forber will be playing on a regular basis come April.
Interesting times albeit very frustrating times.'"


Cust and Powell should also be sat in the stands. The last time Cust had a good game was in the CC Semi-final. If he is an halfback then we might as well give up.

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Quote: Zig "Cust and Powell should also be sat in the stands. The last time Cust had a good game was in the CC Semi-final. If he is an halfback then we might as well give up.'"


I am now worried as Phil Clarke seems to agree with me!

https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/phil-cla ... nal-70157/
Quote: Zig "Cust and Powell should also be sat in the stands. The last time Cust had a good game was in the CC Semi-final. If he is an halfback then we might as well give up.'"


I am now worried as Phil Clarke seems to agree with me!

https://www.seriousaboutrl.com/phil-cla ... nal-70157/


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Quote: Zig "Ok, I agree with that.'"


Fair one Zig, didn't want to appear nitpicking but I thought Havard really got stuck in and as a "Junior" pro showed up some others tonight.

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Quote: Simba16 "Fair one Zig, didn't want to appear nitpicking but I thought Havard really got stuck in and as a "Junior" pro showed up some others tonight.

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I am looking forward to seeing the statistics.

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