All bob on. Jeez the money men must be mortified they’ve thrown a wad at George Burgess when all along they had a 19 year old kid in the ranks who is without doubt the best prop prospect I’ve seen coming through at Wigan in my 30+ years watching the club. I’m not blaming anyone because I was desperate for Burgess and he could still come good but he looks gone. I’ve not seen a player as off the pace as big George in a very long time.

It's a bit depressing watching Burgess at the moment. Initially I was hoping he was just struggling for match fitness but he's played enough games for us now to expect some kind of improvement but we haven't seen it. Maybe he's carrying an injury, but if so, why are we playing him? There seems to be no benefit in doing so as he's barely able to put in more than 5 carries or 14 tackles in a game which is poor for any prop. When you look at how Tom is doing in the NRL you wonder whether he could get to that sort of level but it's hard to imagine based on what we're seeing so far. Game after game Burgess is our worst prop. I think there was one game, against Huddersfield, where he looked half decent but that's pretty much it. Hopefully this isn't the same sort of thing as with Greenwood, who was a real handful and then within the space of a few injuries just seemed to lose everything that made him effective.

Fans have always been calling for us to sign a big, tough prop forward who can dominate, but our record when making big signings in that department isn't great. In fact our prop recruitment in general is so hit and miss. Not sure how that compares to other clubs and whether signing front rowers in general is a bit of a lottery, but right now I'm glad we're producing some good home grown props because we seem to be getting some really good stuff from them. Havard in particular is something really special with the potential to reach the level that James Graham and Sam Burgess did.

With the money he's on he'll be given plenty of opportunity & support to turn it around, but sadly it's not looking good.

I hate to say it, but he seems shot (and I don't say that lightly). The really worrying bit is he doesn't look unfit or lacking in willing, so it points to something else. If he was playing 60+ mins I wouldn't be as worried as he'd be in a position to turn it around - that seems beyond him tho.

If this carries on I wouldn't be surprised if he retires. He can't be enjoying it (there must be pain) and the club can't be happy either. As a side note I remember when the England RU player Steve Thompson came out of retirement he had to pay £500k back to his insurance firm, who'd paid out on his earlier early retirement. Maybe that could be an option if he has cover?

At least one fan is beginning to see the light on George!

Re Burgess, i remember seeing him on the pitch for 5/6 mins then either didn't see him again or didn't notice him, embarrassing for what 400k a year !!!!!!!!

LF is the best rugby player at the club by a country mile.
For me the best British second rower in the game.

He doesn't look happy does he. I think he is really struggling. I think he is happy to be here but there is something else wrong with him but can't put my finger on it. If he is carrying a big injury then he needs to be stood down and given the required time needed to get better (if that is even possible) The club must be kicking themselves that they have been stuck with a player who is incapable of playing at the minute. He is a superb prop but he is nowhere near a Wigan player at the minute. This needs resolving soon. How? i don't know.

I like LF, but I think a "country mile" is a bit OTT. I still think Hastings is still the best rugby player in the team and league.

Genuine question - would you say he's better than Bateman, who for me would be the best British 2nd row.

The problem is, he's had over 12 months worth of recovery time. He was banned for the last 12 weeks of the last NRL season and he's hardly played for us during this one & that's before the extended COVID break too.

Agree with what you said about him looking happy to be here. He doesn't seem to be unsettled and that's what points to his problem being something more serious.

With burgess now we have to hope a run of games shows he still has potential

Hopefully next season he improves. Pat Richards came over and was terrible in his first and even his second season I think. Look how he turned out for us.

Sadly with Burgess it seems to be a case of unable to perform rather than out of form. If it was a case of game time or confidence, I'm sure the coaching staff would leave him on for longer than the 10min stints he currently gets.

He is garbage, just dont pick him.