You can't post pro Wigan stuff on here mate. Not allowed.

Where possibly he will be playing, the moment Gildart returns and Hardacre moves to his proper position of full back!

Bibby will be the one under pressure when Gildart comes back, nice try but wrong once again.

Correct, only negative and critical one's

Aye. Watched it with mixed bunch of fc and kr inclined fans and all agreed whilst wasn't a great game it was kept falsely close by the merry whistler.

Dont call me surely

When they deserve praise, i will praise them. When they dont i wont. If you read my post, i praised French saying God help us if he gets an injury.

I have praised many of the players and the team when they have played well. I cannot and will not praise the dross they have served up in the past 3 games and for much of last season.

I see nothing to suggest we are headed for anything but more of the same of last season. Next week will be a big wake up call if Hull are on point.

If the truth hurts and does not buy me any friends on here, then so be it.

I'm firmly on the fence on this. There is a fair bit of truth in what TE says; there is an awful lot of very poor rugby out there, and fans have a right to deserve better. For most of the first half, we were outplayed by a very ordinary Toronto side. But the are some good signs: Hastings and French, the progress of Harry Smith, and the pro-Wigan comments about the Toronto tries and the Burgess strip were also fair, we didn't get much from the ref. Still, I feel we are still behind the top teams, and cannot look forward to Hull with confidence. It will be a real test for us and our coach, that's for sure.

Well we made hard work of that. Thank Christ we signed Hastings and French, and that young lad Smith looked confident and skilfull. But that pack has to up the ante !

Unless we get them firing soon, we will get mullered by Hull .

No mate, we're just bored less of your constant whining. I have a 5 year old who whines less than you. If your bored, switch off and don't watch. Then the rest of us don't have to read your constant stream of drivel. It really is as simple as that... unless of course you actually like whining in which case, as you were. I fully expect to see you here again though. Unfortunately.

First half was still scrappy and way too 'one out' but we showed real promise in the 2nd. I think we'd have taken hold of that game much earlier but for a 12 point turnaround due to inept reffing (again). We were getting on top but instead of going 16-4 up it was 10 all which seemed to put us on the back foot for 10 mins or so.

Some good stuff played in patches and, whilst I understand those saying we might struggle against Hull, I think that depends on the team we put out. Bullock has to stay in the team, hopefully to be joined by at least one of Burgess or Flower with Twenty five minute Tony (have to be fair!) making way. The difference between Clubb and Bullock was so marked it would have been easy to mistake which was having his first run out of the season.

Hastings looks to be settling in more each game and was probing the defense far more this week. French was class. Enough said. Just a shame that last chip over didn't quite come off. Smith looks the real deal. Give him the game time and he'll flourish.

Other positives: Faz bouncing back from a poor performance last week. Ran some great lines and that inside pass to French..just wow! Amir Burrough's cameo. Looked like he has the makings of a decent impact interchange hooker. Solid debut from Clark and Budgie showing some pace again.

Negatives: Took us too long to get into the game. As other's have said, we can't afford that against the better teams. Clubb. O'Loughlin's eye. Budgie under the high ball and general ball security. Clubb. The ref (Jesus, what's happened to him? He can't go a match without making numerous mistakes). Clubb. Clubb.

A mixed bag but enough there, especially with the likes of Manfredi, Gildart, Burgess, Flower, Greenwood, Powell and the young guns to slot in, to be optimistic.

You cover all bases don’t you. If we beat Hull it will be because they didn’t play well and if Hull beat us it’s because we are e. You’ve already set out your stall and that one sentence allows you to slate them either way.