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Quote: FearTheVee "Interesting take. I can see why you would be confident, but that one loss was to the team you say are doing worse on the back of losing with deliberately weakened teams at London and a loss in the cup to the team you lost to in the cup.

Realistically, ignoring deliberately weakened teams at London, we've lost one game in the league in early April. We're going for a 100% home record this weekend.

The recent dip in form over the same 11 game sequence you refer to has included (other than weakened teams at London)
All fair comment mate, however it's largely different interpretations of the same facts. You dismiss the London results because of weakened teams, for example, but fail to apportion the same reasoning to ourselves. We've been playing weakened teams all year (including throughout our run of 10 wins from 11) yet you're happy to use that as a definite marker of relative strength against a Saints team that's been largely at or near full strength. How do you reconcile that?

You mentioned that we lost in the cup to Warrington, which is true, but fail to point out that most pundits were of the opinion that we were the better side on the day, lost by only 2 points and beat them in the league the week before you capitulated to them in the final. In addition, our defeat to them was at a time we were, by common consent, garbage. Not exactly a good form line, then, I think you'll agree.

I'd be more interested to hear your takes on the challenge cup semi and final and last weeks game where you were pretty much at full strength in all instances. Grand Final winning form, in your opinion?

I'm not doubting for a moment that you go into the playoffs as favourites just as you did in the Challenge Cup and, as I pointed out, last season too. We all know what happened on both of those instances.

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Wigan are absolutely under no pressure to win the GF this season. Its quite rare that teams win titles back to back.

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Saints on the other hand are under unprecedented pressure to win the GF now. I read today that they are on course to break the all time RL record for the points gap between 1st and 2nd in the final league table. Mind you don't bottle another, lads icon_smile.gif

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Quote: FearTheVee "Interesting take. I can see why you would be confident, but that one loss was to the team you say are doing worse on the back of losing with deliberately weakened teams at London and a loss in the cup to the team you lost to in the cup.

Realistically, ignoring deliberately weakened teams at London, we've lost one game in the league in early April. We're going for a 100% home record this weekend.

The recent dip in form over the same 11 game sequence you refer to has included (other than weakened teams at London)

If the last season and three quarters has taught Saints anything, I would think that would be that what’s gone before in the regular rounds count for nothing when it comes to these big games. Yes it gives you an advantage finishing first but come two weeks time everything starts again, the pressure racks up and it takes an unbelievably brave team to not go in their shell a little and start to play more conservatively. That then means that the gap between any ‘form’ teams and ‘out of form’ teams narrows because it becomes a game of margins, desire and in some cases luck. We’ve seen time and again that a run to a grand final win can be all in the timing.

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Quote: Orrell Lad "Saints on the other hand are under unprecedented pressure to win the GF now. I read today that they are on course to break the all time RL record for the points gap between 1st and 2nd in the final league table. Mind you don't bottle another, lads
I was reading a story today that Holbrook resigned after the challenge cup final but the Saints board wouldn’t accept it. It’s doing the rounds in Oz by all accounts and Gary Schofield (hardly a fountain of knowledge) was bulling it up in the media.

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Quote: NickyKiss "I was reading a story today that Holbrook resigned after the challenge cup final but the Saints board wouldn’t accept it. It’s doing the rounds in Oz by all accounts and Gary Schofield (hardly a fountain of knowledge) was bulling it up in the media.'"

I saw that story too. In respect of the earlier posts, this could be huge if true. Upheaval of this kind can have a massive effect on team morale. I mentioned a while ago that the announcement of Holbrook's leaving could foreshadow a worsening in Saints form in a similar way to Wane's announcement did to us. I think we've seen that over subsequent weeks. Will this have a further effect? It's certainly a possibility and the timing, coming into the playoffs, couldn't be worse for them.

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Suppose it could galvanise them as well if the players think a lot of him, as you’d think it would hit them hard that their performance in the final would make Holbrook think like that.

It’s probably untrue anyway but to think we looked at a seemingly unstoppable force a couple of months back in Saints, to now see some cracks appearing is heartening. I’ve still got them as big favourites but there’s no doubt the pressure is huge.

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This will sounds like sour grapes I fully acknowledge icon_smile.gif but there is a theory that big games (finals) are referees differently. Refs are more lenient, less prone to blow for technical offences in the spirit of “letting the game flow” In a way that is not the case during normal weekly rounds.

So you often get slower play the balls, skinny 10m etc which serve to level games out.

I think there is an element truth in this and that it tends to flow against the faster (better?) teams.

But lord knows we’ve had long enough to get used to it icon_lol.gif

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Quote: FearTheVee "This will sounds like sour grapes I fully acknowledge Could I ask where this theory is from? (Please don't say RedVee! icon_lol.gif)

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Quote: FearTheVee "This will sounds like sour grapes I fully acknowledge Can't say I've ever noticed the ptb being slower or the 10m shorter in finals. They'll be a bit less eager to penalise generally, but teams seem to play cleaner as well.

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Quote: FearTheVee "This will sounds like sour grapes I fully acknowledge
I do actually see where you’re coming from. Big finals and big games are definitely refereed differently. But they’re also played differently too. Everything about these games is a world away from a run of the mill away trip to Hull KR for example. Thus the refereeing is, rightly or wrongly, bound to be different.

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The same argument is made about Origin games compared to ordinary NRL matches. And it's true there too.

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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... -cup-wigan
"Edwards said he decided not to take over at Wigan because he questioned his experience for the role. “It was very difficult and it is best not to say too much. I said Wigan needed a more experienced rugby league coach than me and I was right. They are doing well under Adrian Lam and I think they will win the Super League again this year.”
Interesting spin from all angles, how was he right saying experience was needed when Lam isn't experienced? How does he conclude Wigan will win under Lam this year ?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... -cup-wigan
"Edwards said he decided not to take over at Wigan because he questioned his experience for the role. “It was very difficult and it is best not to say too much. I said Wigan needed a more experienced rugby league coach than me and I was right. They are doing well under Adrian Lam and I think they will win the Super League again this year.”
Interesting spin from all angles, how was he right saying experience was needed when Lam isn't experienced? How does he conclude Wigan will win under Lam this year ?


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Quote: Mash Butty "https

Sounds like him trying to justify his cowardly cop out to himself.

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Quote: 100% Warrior "Sounds like him trying to justify his cowardly cop out to himself.'"

Nail hit firmly on head there!

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