Very true.

Maybe I'm just too simplistic but I have always viewed it as you either win it or you don't.

And if you are indeed being simplistic, we DO win more than most... But people like to be selective to suit an argument. For a rookie coach, for at this level thats what Wane is, his record stacks up against most. If you attribute his success to Maguire's work, then you have to ascribe Maguire's success to work done by Noble..

My concern is the style of rugby we play it can hardly be classed as entertaining and at the end of the day sport should be entertaining, we are at times painfully lacking in creativity and skill with very few game changing players.

My main concern is that off the platform of the double the team has not kicked on. I believe the standard of SL has dropped for a few years now and sadly so have we.

We identified the issues with the squad after the Roosters match and did nothing about it watching players who could really improve our squad sign for our rivals.

The signing strategy and gameplan for me are unacceptable and each year Wane seems incapable of evolving sticking to the same tactic over and over again which has become dated and predictable. It's all going a bit Brian Noble for me.

Maguire changed the culture of the club after we floundered with Noble.

Wane was handed the reigns to this winning machine with the idea that he'd keep it ticking over. As time has gone on he's introduced his own ideas.

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I bloody love Tony Clubb.

Absolute mountain.

Literally the worst Warrington performance I've seen in 10 years. We should've put 60 on them.

I was impressed by our forwards and defence tonight but Warrkington were awful!were in a great position and 2 wins would probably get us second place,3 to guarantee it

Said the same when he went over. I'm not sure I've been as happy to see a player score a try in my time watching the game.

And to think I like many others thought we'd signed a bit of a joker when we got him. He embarrasses some of out other props at times (not as much tonight though as they all put a shift in for a change).

After tonight's result I think 2nd place is nailed on. Saints next two matches are Leeds and Castleford both away and I can't see any other team closing the gap that now exists. It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that both Huddersfield & Castleford relegate Saints to 5th though. That would be cause for great rejoicing.

I said on the Leeds board before we played them that I'm not bothered about us finishing top. Currently I'd rather us finish 2nd, play Saints at home and batter them. That could come back to haunt me though

Great performance. Pack fronted up. Powell was very good and laid a claim to the back up 9 shirt, only disappointment for me was Mossop and the token Hampshire 10 minutes.

My favourite Wigan/Wire fact for an argument is that we've lost more CC finals than they've appeared in.

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