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| Quote Fames="Fames"All the Sky commentators/pundits thought it was the correct decision, ie a knock on. Just because Cummings thought it was an incorrect decision doesn't prove anything....!
It was very unfortunate for Leeds and Mcguire, but it was technically a knock on as he lost control of the ball and it hit the ground before it hit his foot. It was not a genuine drop goal attempt - the ball falling to the ground was caused by Sam knocking Mcguire's arm, hence a knock on.'"
Cummings being the man whose job it is to judge whether it was the correct decision saying it wasnt the correct decision kind of proves it wasnt the correct decision.
Whilst your interpretation of the rules states it was a knock on, the man whose job it is to interpret the rules disagrees. Technically it wasnt a knock on, we know this because we have been told so.
Doesnt quite fit with Wigan being hard done by does it?
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| Quote Fames="Fames"Maybe it just proves Cummings doesn't understand the rules of what constitutes a knock on.
See previous post - as proved by the video replays Sam knocking Mcguire's arm forced him to drop the ball. It was not an intentional drop kick or even a deliberate grubber kick where the player kicks the ball on the half-volley for better control.
Leeds were unlucky as without the VR the try may well have been given - having said that the touch judge noticed the "knock on" which is why Alibert went to the VR in the first place.
TBH this is where Leeds may have a genuine grievance as the try would probably have been given if the game had not been televised/had a VR. We've had numerous discussions about this in recent months/years.....!'"
You do realise that its Cummings to decision as to whether it constitutes a knock on dont you? He is the one who decides and hands down the interpretations to the referees, its his job to do so. His interpretation of the rules cannot possibly be wrong because he decides what the interpretation is!
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"You do realise that its Cummings to decision as to whether it constitutes a knock on dont you? He is the one who decides and hands down the interpretations to the referees, its his job to do so.[u His interpretation of the [/u[urules cannot possibly be wrong [/ubecause he decides what the interpretation is!'"
Is he infallible ?
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| Quote twosevenzero="twosevenzero"Is he infallible ?'" In this respect yes. He makes the decision as to what the interpretation is, so by definition his interpretation is correct.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"You do realise that its Cummings to decision as to whether it constitutes a knock on dont you? He is the one who decides and hands down the interpretations to the referees, its his job to do so. His[u interpretation [/uof the rules cannot possibly be wrong because he decides what the interpretation is!'"
As you say its an interpretation, but as the officials at the game, the commentators and all other media who i have heard said it was a knock on then I would have to think that Cummings interpretation is a poor one.
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| Quote wiganers="wiganers"As you say its an interpretation, but as the officials at the game, the commentators and all other media who i have heard said it was a knock on then I would have to think that Cummings interpretation is a poor one.'"
Doesnt matter if you dont agree with it. Im sure there are rules and interpretations in the game we all disagree with. It doesnt alter the fact that they are the rules and they are the correct interpretations.
Its all irrelevant now. Sometimes your on the right end of a wrong decision, sometimes the wrong one, it happens.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Doesnt matter if you dont agree with it. Im sure there are rules and interpretations in the game we all disagree with. It doesnt alter the fact that they are the rules and they are the correct interpretations.
Its all irrelevant now. [uSometimes your on the right end of a wrong decision, sometimes the wrong one[/u, it happens.'"
Correct. All I am trying to say though is only one man, being Cummings, thought it was a try out of all officials at the game and the commentators. Why his ideas are different from the vast majority, I dont know. Like you say though its irrelevant now. Just hope the Wembley result isnt decided on a refs call
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| Quote wiganers="wiganers"Correct. All I am trying to say though is only one man, being Cummings, thought it was a try out of all officials at the game and the commentators. Why his ideas are different from the vast majority, I dont know. Like you say though its irrelevant now. Just hope the Wembley result isnt decided on a refs call'"
To be fair to him. It is his job, and it is something we as a game need to have. An overall arbiter who 'judges the judges'. Where the game goes wrong I think is at times it treats every contentious decision as ultra-important and sometimes finds ridiculous ways of the referee being right when in fact it is ok if referees make the odd mistake, teams have 80 minutes to win a game, we shouldnt be so hung up on the referees influence. It is one area we are probably behind football in that bar an absolute disaster of a decision (either giving or not giving a clear goal/not goal) referees mistakes are pretty much accepted as part of the game.
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| Was praying it wasn't Bentham for several reasons. As Hogan said if we are true champions we should still win, however, Bentham will do his very best to make sure we dont, common knowledge that the guy hates Wigan.
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| Quote 21-12="21-12"Was praying it wasn't Bentham for several reasons. As Hogan said if we are true champions we should still win, however, Bentham will do his very best to make sure we dont, common knowledge that the guy hates Wigan.'"
Last season we lost every game he reffed.
This season we have won every game he reffed. (IIRC).
We'll be reet! 
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"I think the fact that Wigan would have preferred Silverwood and Thaler (both from near Leeds) tells it's own story.'"
Leeds would have walked to Wembley naked if they could have Thaler as ref.
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| at the end of the day I can't see Bentham making any decisions that will threaten his career as a top referee, it's just a too high profile game. It's the 50/50 VR decisions that could go either way.....
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