Is it just me, or does the comment above make no sense?

It makes perfect sense. If you look closely you will see the Championship trophy (pre SL) in the Wigan trophy cabinet (to the right of the Lancs Cup).
Wigan were given permission by the RFL to keep the trophy having won it the most times.

Doh... How stupid am i....

Very true, but as Cruncher says, there's more to it than just results, the enjoyment factor has increased even more than the bare win/loss ratio, for me. This season, I don't think you can say that we've had a single bad game - even the two careless SL losses v Quins & Bulls were really only minor blips, and the Leeds & Saints games could have gone either way.

There's just no comparison between now and the Noble or Millward eras.

A look at the two run ins tells you the fight for 1st is far from finished. If we can't get the job done against them ourselves then we may struggle to hold on to it.

Warrington bar Saints at home have a run of fixtures that don't look too difficult, whilst Wigan have Hull, Hull KR and Leeds all away.

I've always thought that you have the hardest run in. If you manage to top the league than that will be an excellent effort.
To those who think that finishing 1st means very little, I disagree. Its a sign of being the best/most consistent team over the whole season. The fact that the 'Champions' are the team that win the play offs doesn't change that.

No comment.

It all depends on how you define "progress".

I look at it this way. At the start of the competitions everyone knows what the format of those are, everyone knows when the fixtures will take place and everyone knows what resources they have available in order to maximise their achievements.


Now, imo the only thing that counts are results. As they say in golf "they don't draw pictures on scorecards".

Last year, we got to the CC semi-final and the final eliminator in SL. It doesn't matter how we got there, we did.


In order to demonstrate progress this season, we need to improve on that. That is not my opinion, that is fact.


There is no point at all in finishing top if we cannot back up that with a strong run in the playoffs. Like it or not, this competition is all about the playoffs. The weekly rounds, nice though they are to win, are not as significant as some on here would like you to believe. Their primary purpose is building for the playoffs.


It's clear from some on here that they judge "progress" by performance in those weekly rounds. If the object of the season was to finish on top of the league, I would also be in that camp. It isn't and therefore I am not.


Sorry to disappoint some, but I have no "agenda" nor any need or desire to "save face" (on a message board for heavens sake). I am simply stating my views.

That's where we differ. I go to matches mainly to be entertained, and I think I'm far from being the only one, judging by the lack of correlation between our attendances and results, over the years.

I therefore judge "progress" largely as an increase in the entertainment value, which is more to do with how we play than whether we win or lose. Sure, it's better to win than lose, but if results were the only thing that counted, we'd have lower crowds now than we did in the early 90's.

Definitely deluded, your views or not it is blatantly obvious to everybody that we have made progress as a club this year.

Clear top of the league
top points scorer
top try scorer
best attack
best defence

need I go on??

There is a difference between progress and success.

There is no doubt that Wigan have made progress this year, but success will ultimately be measured by trophies won. If you finish top and dont bring any silverware home this season, then pretty much no one will remember the fact that you finished top, not least your own fans.

It's wrong in my opinion to work damn hard for 27 rounds, finish top and get sod all reward other than a plate. The league leaders should get far more recognition.

Watching you this year, your play is so controlled and error free, it's hard to see past you. I would like to understand the relative completion rates of each team this year. I'm willing to wager yours will be 5-10% higher than anyone else's.