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Quote: ROBINSON "Didn't say that.

What he did was play Pryce at Stand off when McGuire was injured. This is despite the fact he should have played Pryce there from the off (either that, or played Burrow instead of Long). His hand was forced, in the same way that his hand was forced to play Tomkins last week, and Ainscough the week before.

Sean Long spat his dummy out and went home. Pryce was promptly plonked back on the wing, and Richard Horne was brought in at scrum half, with McGuire at Stand off.

What is the sense in that? At the time, Pryce was GB's best stand off, bar none, and McGuire was hopeless with anyone except Burrow at the side of him.

The team should have effectively picked itself, yet Noble ignored the obvious combinations. He continues to do this to this day, unless his hand is forced of course.'"


When Long came home from Australia in 2006 Horne wasnt in the tour squad, Burrow was reserve SH. What you on about?

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Quote: ROBINSON "TO be fair, you couldn't possibly pick Mathers.'"


Keep digging.

TBH I thought we would be waiting a lot longer to see the likes of Ainscough and Tomkins than we have. I agree Nobles hand has been forced to a degree but I think this thread is just a pure whinge about nout.

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Quote: Bill_Barlow "Rubbish, every academy player needs guidance and protection during their time from academy to first team. Too many players at Wigan got threw in at the deep end and now we are following the way Saints brought these 2 through. When i say protected i dont mean they had people making tackles for them or holding their hands i mean in the way the players are prepared and advised. All comes under the coaching. Protection from overuse, theyre bodies are still developing and are going against big hard experienced men, ie given games and taken out to stop fatigue becoming a problem in their muscles and causing injury. Too many players by the time they are 30 are burnt out not in their peak, look at what happened to Rads, Sculthorpe, Faz just to name a few.'"


Do you think Rads or Faz were burned out? Both enjoyed testimonials. Maybe the Australians have it right as they always seem to and RL is a young mans sport which should be played much beyond the age of 30. IIRC Sculthorpe, Faz and Rads suffered injuries rather than burn out.

Nobody protected Shaun Edwards. If you are saying young players at Wigan are inadequately prepared as regards coaching compared to those at St Helens or Leeds then I would agree with you. That is the view of Mick Hogan too. Hogan hs been here what months, Noble years and one sees it, the other just made excuses.

The notion you can time when players begin their first team career is a fallacy. Most get their opportunities through necessity rather than anybody's choice.

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Which he didn't.

Look at the amount of Wiganers in our squad used this season

Ainscough
J Tomkins
Goulding
S Tomkins
Hock
Lockers
O Carroll
McClorum

Not UK but Wigan lads. And look at there ages, nearly all under 25.

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Internationally, Noble selected Harris instead of McGuire which was a monumental error.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Has Noble stuck withhe could have dropped Ainscough for him but he didn't.'"

Only a complete idiot would have dropped him for Mathers.

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Quote: Bill_Barlow "When Long came home from Australia in 2006 Horne wasnt in the tour squad, Burrow was reserve SH. What you on about?'"


FFS.

Horne played at number 7 in the final match against Australia where we lost 33-10 (or thereabouts). Burrow went on that tour but didnt get a game (which actually further backs up my view on Noble not picking the right players unless forced to)

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Agreed, and he didn't. And to his and Ainscough credit he's featured in the games since, in the starting 13.

I think there's still alot of plus's to our team under Noble.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "
I think there's still alot of plus's to our team under Noble.'"


I certainly wouldn't disagree with that.

It seems that a lot of people on here take one criticism as confirmation that you think someone's not fit to burn.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Which he didn't.

Look at the amount of Wiganers in our squad used this season

Ainscough
J Tomkins
Goulding
S Tomkins
Hock
Lockers
O Carroll
McClorum

Not UK but Wigan lads. And look at there ages, nearly all under 25.'"


A RL peaks between 25 and 28. He should be playing regular first team by the age of 20. The best younger.

O'Carrol is from Oldham, McILorum from Leeds

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Defo.

With a win against Bradford, confidence building for Leeds with Sam and Ainscough in the squad people will soon be behind Noble again.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Defo.

With a win against Bradford, confidence building for Leeds with Sam and Ainscough in the squad people will soon be behind Noble again.'"


If Wigan do win against Bradford and Leeds not only will they very good wins but we will defiantly have cause for optimism, but we will still be on 6 games played 3 W - 3 L.

People will truly start to get behind Noble (me included) and the pressure will be relieved when we put a run of about five or six straight wins together matched with good performances in those wins. It’s not something he’s managed to do, apart from in his first season, yet and it will be a true marker that we’ve left the inconsistency of the previous two seasons behind.

I personally will be just as gutted as I was after the three loses we’ve had if we go 2 Leeds and Win and then mess up by losing to Salford the week after. In previous seasons that’s what has happened and it’s very worrying.

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I think Noble has given a fair few kids a chance. They ultimately have to be good enough to make that step up when they get a chance. We had a few injuries, Noble thought Ainscough was good enough to play Super League. So far, seems like that trust is justified. I also think J Tomkins has come on a lot under Noble.

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Noble has been at Wigan 3 years and youth development has gone backwards. Joel Tomkins was repesenting and starring for England in 2004. He was outstanding in a troubled Wigan era under Millward. He was then given no opportunities until Noble had no choice.

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Noble should of taken a chance this season and not bothered signing Riddell or Roberts but signed a world class prop and a world class half back to teach Tomkins his trade.

We need to play our youngsters, they are the best in the league given the chance, you dont see teams filled with anyone elses players.

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