The 90% quoted figure I had seen regarding ICU was “up to 90% in ICU are unvaccinated” which again, miss represents the true facts.

Do you have a link to the above so that I can have a look at it? Btw I am not trying to argue here I am genuinely interested in seeing an article and data to support without a media slant on it.

Regarding the last sentence I’m not sure how that can be stated as statistically proven when directly above you talk about converting up to per 100k people and use the words far more likely

age or health conditions are not mentioned here who is in icu / anyway
I am pro vax but pro choice and as far as the government goes they had parties whilst we were under house arrest and lied about it so how can you trust them

Because if there 100,000 vaccinated and 100,000 unvaccinated or 1million of each then there would far more of the unvaccinated hospitalised, in icu and die. Never mind how less likely you are to co tract or transmit in the first place.

So you are far more likely if you are unvaccinated to experience one of those 3

There is literally no way of knowing that. You cannot test for that due to the differing factors

So you can't statistically measure it ? Yeah ok

Seems quite easy to me
***5 million unvaccinated - 1000 in ICU/Die
***50 million vaccinated - 2000 in ICU/Die

You are far more likely to end up in ICU/Die if you are unvaccinated

*** Made up numbers for illustrative purposes

What’s age and health conditions got to do with it?

I don’t think you understand the point being made.

The below will help.

Yes or No do you agree with the following?

1 - you are more likely to be hospitalised with covid if you are unvaccinated
2 - you are more likely to end up in ICU if you are unvaccinated
3 - you are more likely to die from covid if you are unvaccinated

It has everything to do with it.

It’s not black and white/yes or no generalised like that. This is the whole point I’m trying to make.

if you think old age and pre existing health conditions are not a factor / you are arguing for the sake of it / the average age death rate due to covid is about 80 / go figure

Of course he does!!!!!

But if you had 1 or 10,000 or 100,000 or 1milion similar health conditioned people each of Vaccinated & unvaccinated then there would be more unvaccinated in ICU/Die

If you are trying to make out that the only reason the higher per capita of people dying unvaxxed is because medically they are more at risk and thus are more susceptible to experience issues then that is one MASSIVE step (Sorry Itchy for the caps).

As an individual each has their own right to do what they want

As a society it is 100% fact that statistically you are far more likely to end up in ICU or Die if you are unvaxxed as compared to a similar aged/Health etc. person who is vaccinated.

The key word here being “similar” even then I still can’t see how anyone can claim that as fact.

Do you have any evidence other than anecdotal to say this is true.

Before you do, can we please define what we mean by vaccinated is it 1, 1 and 2 or 1, 2 and 3?

omicron is less deadly than flu so stop over hyping the situation thats the point here / more elderly unvaxed may be in icu and snuff it yes I agree but leave the rest alone who are young fit and dont want jabbing thats all

Is that point not because so many people are vaccinated?

Hence the importance of knowing the figures for those in hospital who are unvaccinated…