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Funny how Saints with a relatively average squad managed to beat The Mighty Wigoon to the league title in 1996. Let's not forget how The Mighty Wigoon, shortly after being all-conquering, lost to part-timers Salford in the cup as well. Just how great was that team? Not very when you look at how they were beaten to the title by a squad that signalled the decline of RL standards over here.

This forum is even more biased than any Saints or Leeds one.

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Sorry about that, I meant the 2006 test at the SFS.
Bloody Hell I was there!
Again apologies!

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Quote: McClennan "Funny how Saints with a relatively average squad managed to beat The Mighty Wigoon to the league title in 1996. Let's not forget how The Mighty Wigoon, shortly after being all-conquering, lost to part-timers Salford in the cup as well. Just how great was that team? Not very when you look at how they were beaten to the title by a squad that signalled the decline of RL standards over here.

This forum is even more biased than any Saints or Leeds one.'"


Feel free not to frequent it.

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Now that you have both re-appeared can Father Ted respond on the points on page 16 and Brett Keny to the points on page 17.

It seems whenever you are asked to back up your make-believe points you disappear only to return a few days later repeating the same old rubbish.

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Quote: Paul Youane "How can I answer why the salary cap isn't to blame for the number of British players dropping from 300 in 1996's Super League to less than half that figure now when both figures are clearly made up?'"


For you Brett

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Quote: Paul Youane "Its not really up to me to "doubt" them because I am actually, I believe, dis-proving them using factual data.

If you are bothered enough to do all the above I wouldn't have thought actually nipping across to the RL Stats section of this site and counting the British players there for 2000 and 2009 is too much of a chore.

Do you accept that it does not seem correct that in 1996 each team on average had 27 / 28 British Players.'"


For you Father Ted

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Since you don't listen to reason, frankly I am bored posting points.
This post is going off at so many tangents it's untrue.

Step back, ignore the trash being posted.

If you think the standards of RL has improved in this country over the last 15 years then I honestly despair.

The way to improve standards in ANY field, be it a certain profession, a certain vocation or indeed a sport is NOT to limit the earning power of it's participants. The CC does the opposite.

Again if you cannot see that simple point then there is no point in continuing the debate.


Oh and btw, re-read the posts. I didn't mention "300 players" icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: XBrettKennyX "The way to improve standards in ANY field, be it a certain profession, a certain vocation or indeed a sport is NOT to limit the earning power of it's participants. The CC does the opposite.'"


Certainly worked in banking.

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Quote: FearTheVee "Certainly worked in banking.'"


Tell you what, why don't you limit the salaries of ALL banking staff to £50k and see what state the banking sector is left in.

The country would go bust, unable to pay out benefits to chavs.



Stupid analogy FTV.

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Quote: XBrettKennyX "Tell you what, why don't you limit the salaries of ALL banking staff to £50k and see what state the banking sector is left in.

The country would go bust, unable to pay out benefits to chavs.



Stupid analogy FTV.'"


It's your assertion that unlimited, unfettered earnings is the way forward in every walk of life. If you think bonus culture and greed chasing these unlimited earnings wasn't a factor in the banking crisis then, well . . . .

I would argue the contrary - that a defined and transparent pay scale is better and leads to better more long termist decisions.

But then everyone knows comparing sport directly to business is stupid, don't they?

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Quote: FearTheVee "It's your assertion that unlimited, unfettered earnings is the way forward in every walk of life. If you think bonus culture and greed chasing these unlimited earnings wasn't a factor in the banking crisis then, well . . . .

I would argue the contrary - that a defined and transparent pay scale is better and leads to better more long termist decisions.

But then everyone knows comparing sport directly to business is stupid, don't they?'"



The issue with the banks was the lack of proper regulation, nothing to do with wage levels.



Comparing sports to business is not stupid. However, the analogy that you used previously was.


Explain how a "defined and transparent" pay scale is better. Actually while you are at it, explain exactly what it is.


Btw the grammar in your "long termmist" line is awful. How on earth are we supposed to take your views on the relative similarities between RL and the banking sector seriously with a reply like that?

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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]Wellens[/quote:3hoggrzp]:7007.jpg



Quote: Badwanger "So, what you are saying is that you've got no idea how good or otherwise these fringe players were, but yet you can readily state that the Saints fans' opinions about them are incorrect based solely upon blatantly biased reports on the Saints Heritage Site?

Yet you happliy quoted from, as you put it, Saints sources that Vila was "a top quality player", yet you personally never rated him. Remember I too, have seen many greats in the red vee........

I suggest you read the link you posted again.


First off, I'm not sure why you kept posting the same link (to Sonny Nickle???) Though now you mention it the early 90s side he played in was pretty handy, certainly in the 92/93 season. (Come to think of it, that Saints side was a better side than the 2006 side and the 2009 side. Thanks for reminding me.)

Yes I didn't think Matautia was a great player. So? You/FTV have said he was rubbish/NL1 standard. Clearly thats not the case.

As for Anderson, he appears to have been a competent squad player. All teams have them, even Wigan in the early 90s. Saints have them now. Yet you argue that he and others, forming what would appear to be the majority of Saints double winning squad, were only NL1 standard. Bizarre.

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Quote: McClennan "Funny how Saints with a relatively average squad managed to beat The Mighty Wigoon to the league title in 1996. Let's not forget how The Mighty Wigoon, shortly after being all-conquering, lost to part-timers Salford in the cup as well. Just how great was that team? Not very when you look at how they were beaten to the title by a squad that signalled the decline of RL standards over here. '"


I can't believe anyone would come up with such nonsense and post it as a serious point. Wigan lost in the cup to Salford so that proves they were not a great team? Can you name me a RL team that does not get beaten every now and again by a team of a much lower standard? Even great teams have off days and more lowly teams raise their games. That is what makes team sport what it is. Unpredictable.

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Quote: DaveO "I can't believe anyone would come up with such nonsense and post it as a serious point. Wigan lost in the cup to Salford so that proves they were not a great team? Can you name me a RL team that does not get beaten every now and again by a team of a much lower standard? Even great teams have off days and more lowly teams raise their games. That is what makes team sport what it is. Unpredictable.

Dave'"


It wasn't even worth replying to. I can't believe you did.

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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]Wellens[/quote:3hoggrzp]:7007.jpg



Quote: RB "It wasn't even worth replying to. I can't believe you did.'"


You're right.

Looking back, there was little point in my replying to posts such as those in which Saints fans described the bulk of their '96 double winning squad as "rubbish" or "NL1 standard".

The Saints' fans posts on the last few pages on this thread speak for themselves.

There really is no need to respond to what are patently absurd posts and I won't be doing so in future.

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