You could accept maybe 20-30% difference, though even that is extreme. But the fact we've received 60% less penalties than all teams around us makes it clear that refs are applying different rules to our games than others.


Then you double down with the fact that we are losing penalty counts despite being the league top scorers and have the joint 2nd best defence.


It also has to be direction from the refs structure, rather than at individual level as it's so consistent and I think we've had 4 or 5 different refs so far this year.

Even me, whose moaned my tits off the most about this and started the conversation, is surprised just how bad it all looks in black and white. Fans from all sides always complain about various things and when it comes to refs, you rarely have cold,hard facts and figures to back up your argument but we do. It's shocking and simply not right.

 I watched the House of league podcast with Matt Shaw earlier and he's Leeds bias no doubt but he highlighted how they were just about the best disciplined team in the league before the Wire game and how it made no sense how they were then pinged time and again against Wire, while getting very few pens themselves. If only he had a look at our figures! It's absolutely staggering. HKR in a couple of weeks will be a mess, no doubt about it. I'm going for 7 or 8 to 1. 

Also NK, it's the six agains too which we can't find the figures for. 
Leeds seems a typical example with Pen 5-1 in the Rhinos favour together with 3-0- to them on the 6 agains.
Overall 8-1 advantage in sets awarded will skew any match. Seeing that it does appear the lads on the field did a great job with only ending up 2 points down.


We do need to publicise this but the right way to do it is the conundrum.


 

And to make things better, Peet has been fined for an incident during the Hull game

And to make things better, Peet has been fined for an incident during the Hull game

Interesting to see Peet commenting that yet again we didn't receive one 6 again in the match. Hard to believe that Saints didn't lie on just a little too long just once in that game. 


Haven't seen the stats but I would hazard a guess that we received a pretty low pens for again.

Pens Wig 4-5 Saints. Can't find 6 agains but I can't remember many either way during the game
Edit, 6 agains were Wig 0-3 Saints, taken off RV Good Friday thread

To be fair to saints I don?t remember many times when they were messing in the ruck or slow but I could say the same for us

It's far easier complaining after big wins. We continue to lose penalty counts and opposition sides continue to have their best disciplinary displays of the season against us. The six agains are the biggest bug bear at the minute. A side getting none should be a side who doesn't cause opposition teams many problems in attack and who are easy to defend against. Teams are scrambling to slow down an attack involving Field, Marshall, French, Nsemba etc and are as clean as a whistle 'every single week'.

We didn't get any 6 agains v Leeds (a) but at least one against HKR as Harry scored from it. None on Friday.
So that's one 6 again in four hours of Rugby!


I'd like to hear Mr Bentham's view on that!

Six agains were 3 - 0 to Saints on Friday.

We have Jack Smith as referee at Hull FC so no matter how good our discipline is we'll lose the pen count and probably not get any 6 agains.
Third away match on the run we'd had Smith.
Hull fans no doubt be complaining that we've brought a "Wigan Ref".

I can't wait. Even when we beat them 46-4 in round 2 they still won the penalty count