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| Our away form is a concern, and we need to rectify that going into the super 8's. We are so Jekyl and Hyde this season, going from the Leeds win at the Magic weekend, Hull KR and Warrington at home (our best attacking performance imo) to Saints, Cas and Catalans away. The casm between our best and worst performances is huge.
But looking at it in a glass is half full kind of way, we could have gone joint top last night with a win and are still comfortable in 3rd. It's not so bad is it?
I think there's parallels between this season and 2013, and we all know how that went when it came to the business end...
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| I've just read Wanes post match comments and I'm raging!
'We were out enthused but that happens sometimes' and 'the things we did out there aren't us'.....yes they are, they are us and have been all year! And as for being out enthused, that's been the case 80% of the time this year and the fix has been promised on a weekly basis but still shows no sign of turning up.
Emotions run high after a game and people may have had a beer or ten so you understand knee jerk reactions but I feel more knee jerk now then last night after reading that.
Wake up Waney, the sands of time are running out unless he wises up.
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| Quote: Anglesey Warrior "Matty Bowen & MM were the ONLY players who stood up to wire tonight.'"
I'd throw Dom Manfredi in as well and even though not everything came off George Williams gave it a crack.
It was obviously his fault for the defeat (again) though as it was he that was dragged off.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "I've just read Wanes post match comments and I'm raging!
'We were out enthused but that happens sometimes' and 'the things we did out there aren't us'.....yes they are, they are us and have been all year! And as for being out enthused, that's been the case 80% of the time this year and the fix has been promised on a weekly basis but still shows no sign of turning up.
Emotions run high after a game and people may have had a beer or ten so you understand knee jerk reactions but I feel more knee jerk now then last night after reading that.
Wake up Waney, the sands of time are running out unless he wises up.'"
Isn't that just what he always says?
Ahhhhmm devustayted, that's not the real wiggun. We set our standuds igher than that.
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| I actually don't think the 3/4s played too badly, constantly looking for work, doing what they can to get us out of trouble (job the props should be doing). Gelling was a bit hit and miss but it's his first game back after a spell out.
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| Watching the match last night what struck me was how subdued Wane looked throughout the match sat in the stand and even in the dressing room at halftime apart from a few token waves of his cue board the talk seemed to be over in less than a minute.
Every time Wigan made a mistake and the camera went to him there was none of the usual head shaking, arm waving and ranting he just sat there stony faced, he looked like he was suffering the early stages of depression.
Or he could have been suffering from "man flu" because he was wearing what seemed to be a very heavy sweater.
As for the match the less said the better, but there is obviously something going on at the club.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "I've just read Wanes post match comments and I'm raging!
'We were out enthused but that happens sometimes' and 'the things we did out there aren't us'.....yes they are, they are us and have been all year! And as for being out enthused, that's been the case 80% of the time this year and the fix has been promised on a weekly basis but still shows no sign of turning up.
Emotions run high after a game and people may have had a beer or ten so you understand knee jerk reactions but I feel more knee jerk now then last night after reading that.
Wake up Waney, the sands of time are running out unless he wises up.'"
My thoughts too. I read it and couldn't help shouting “shut up shut up”. He makes it worse repeating the same things over and over again after every shockingly bad performance. I've held off calling for his replacement until now because I didn't want to be a knee-jerker, but now I feel the time is coming, and if there's no big turn-around soon (and I can't see one coming) he should go. Then it's who? Well one hat I would throw into the ring is Daryl Powell, he seems to have the knack of getting the best out whatever he's got.
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| That was a pi$$ poor performance. Pitiful even. Give Wane to see out this circus until the end of the season and if we win nothing it's almost certainly time to go. We all know Wane has his favourites and his bias and friendship with some of the players and families are crucifying this club, guaranteed games whether they are woeful or not. We need wholesale changes.
Bowen and Patrick will be gone thankfully but joining them should be, Sarginson, Smith, Mossop, Tautai and Crosby needs a kick up the or get rid too.
We have swapped a decent centre (who is OOC at the end of the season) and loaned him out to Huddersfield and got a complete waste of salary in return. Jack Hughes will sign permanently for Hudds im sure. 5 times the centre Sarginson is. What a complete waste.
I would draft in Corey Patterson from Salford, The man is a flying machine and strong as an ox, brings so much more to the table than Mossop, Tautai and Crosby. We need an experienced NRL prop and we need to bring back the meter maker Burke from Hull KR. Why do we keep experimenting with loose forwards that clearly won't cut it when we have Burke starting at 13 at KR and doing well.
Smith just offers nothing I am afraid. He isn't a game breaker, his kicking is woeful (although he made a couple of rare ones last night) and his leadership and handling leaves a lot to be desired. We need an experienced No. 7 with vision and a game brain alongside Hampshire at No. 6. Powell needs to be back up half back and Williams needs to revert to interchanging No. 9 with MM.
So that leaves the centre, Is Ratchford the answer I don't know, maybe. Personally I would grovel to Jack Hughes, apologise that he was farmed out and give the lad a new contract. Get Thornley fit in the off season so he can challenge for both centre positions leaving Tierney to cover FB and the wings.
Bateman and J. Tomkins to play second row and make Farrell work and train hard for a place in the squad because for 2 seasons his lack of form and poor discipline certainly does not warrant a claim in the 13.
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| Quote: stillinthepast "As for the match the less said the better, but there is obviously something going on at the club.'"
Is there something going on? Or is it just years of losing our best players taking its toll? Plus trying to integrate a lot of youngsters into the side at the same time. Mix that with our most influential player and captain being in and out of the team, it doesn't exactly breed consistency.
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| Quote: Cherry_Warrior "That was a pi$$ poor performance. Pitiful even. Give Wane to see out this circus until the end of the season and if we win nothing it's almost certainly time to go. We all know Wane has his favourites and his bias and friendship with some of the players and families are crucifying this club, guaranteed games whether they are woeful or not. We need wholesale changes.
Bowen and Patrick will be gone thankfully but joining him should be, Sarginson, Smith, Mossop, Tautai and Crosby needs a kick up the booty or get rid too.
We have swapped a decent centre (who is OOC at the end of the season) and loaned him out to Huddersfield and got a complete waste of salary in return. Jack Hughes will sign permanently for Hudds im sure. 5 times the centre Sarginson is. What a complete waste.
I would draft in Corey Patterson from Salford, The man is a flying machine and strong as an ox, brings so much more to the table than Mossop, Tautai and Clubb. We need an experienced NRL prop and we need to bring back the meter maker Burke from Hull KR. Why do we keep experimenting with loose forwards that clearly won't cut it when we have Burke starting at 13 at KR and doing well.
Smith just offers nothing I am afraid. He isn't a game breaker, his kicking is woeful (although he made a couple of rare ones last night) and his leadership and handling leaves a lot to be desired. We need an experienced No. 7 with vision and a game brain alongside Hampshire at No. 6. Powell needs to be back up half back and Williams needs to revert to interchanging No. 9 with MM.
So that leaves the centre, Is Ratchford the answer I don't know, maybe. Personally I would grovel to Jack Hughes, apologise that he was farmed out and give the lad a new contract. Get Thornley fit in the off season so he can challenge for both centre positions leaving Tierney to cover FB and the wings.
Bateman and J. Tomkins to play second row and make Farrell work and train hard for a place in the squad because for 2 seasons his lack of form and poor discipline certainly does not warrant a claim in the 13.'"
You clearly have all the answers, send Lennigan your CV pal you might be in with a chance!
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| Quote: Cherry_Warrior "That was a pi$$ poor performance. Pitiful even. Give Wane to see out this circus until the end of the season and if we win nothing it's almost certainly time to go. We all know Wane has his favourites and his bias and friendship with some of the players and families are crucifying this club, guaranteed games whether they are woeful or not. We need wholesale changes.
Bowen and Patrick will be gone thankfully but joining him should be, Sarginson, Smith, Mossop, Tautai and Crosby needs a kick up the booty or get rid too.
We have swapped a decent centre (who is OOC at the end of the season) and loaned him out to Huddersfield and got a complete waste of salary in return. Jack Hughes will sign permanently for Hudds im sure. 5 times the centre Sarginson is. What a complete waste.
I would draft in Corey Patterson from Salford, The man is a flying machine and strong as an ox, brings so much more to the table than Mossop, Tautai and Clubb. We need an experienced NRL prop and we need to bring back the meter maker Burke from Hull KR. Why do we keep experimenting with loose forwards that clearly won't cut it when we have Burke starting at 13 at KR and doing well.
Smith just offers nothing I am afraid. He isn't a game breaker, his kicking is woeful (although he made a couple of rare ones last night) and his leadership and handling leaves a lot to be desired. We need an experienced No. 7 with vision and a game brain alongside Hampshire at No. 6. Powell needs to be back up half back and Williams needs to revert to interchanging No. 9 with MM.
So that leaves the centre, Is Ratchford the answer I don't know, maybe. Personally I would grovel to Jack Hughes, apologise that he was farmed out and give the lad a new contract. Get Thornley fit in the off season so he can challenge for both centre positions leaving Tierney to cover FB and the wings.
Bateman and J. Tomkins to play second row and make Farrell work and train hard for a place in the squad because for 2 seasons his lack of form and poor discipline certainly does not warrant a claim in the 13.'"
I like your strong attitude but I think not as many changes are needed. If we look at next season for example:
Tomkins (a game breaker, will add so much to creating attack and scoring tries)
Charnley (will be a different more confident player minus Wane plus Tomkins
Sarg (Young live wire of a player who has pace and movement to scare the opposition, had some issues with defence which have improved)
Gelling (when fit is a dangerous centre)
Manfredi (so much potential)
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I think we need an experienced quality half, I'd go for Brough to partner either Williams, Powell, Smith or Rocky
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Clubb, Flower and Crosby plus a new prop signing.
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MM plus a genuine 9 who can scoot to keep up the intensity when MM is interchanged, lets take the interchange seriously and not see it as a way of getting whoever game time.
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Backrow: Tomkins, Lockers and Bateman. I'm growing tired of Faz's peculate ways, for me he's on the bench coming off as a replacement not a starter. I'd give Tautai a run at SR.
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| Quote: Cherry_Warrior "That was a pi$$ poor performance. Pitiful even. Give Wane to see out this circus until the end of the season and if we win nothing it's almost certainly time to go. We all know Wane has his favourites and his bias and friendship with some of the players and families are crucifying this club, guaranteed games whether they are woeful or not. We need wholesale changes.
Bowen and Patrick will be gone thankfully but joining them should be, Sarginson, Smith, Mossop, Tautai and Crosby needs a kick up the booty or get rid too.
We have swapped a decent centre (who is OOC at the end of the season) and loaned him out to Huddersfield and got a complete waste of salary in return. Jack Hughes will sign permanently for Hudds im sure. 5 times the centre Sarginson is. What a complete waste.
I would draft in Corey Patterson from Salford, The man is a flying machine and strong as an ox, brings so much more to the table than Mossop, Tautai and Crosby. We need an experienced NRL prop and we need to bring back the meter maker Burke from Hull KR. Why do we keep experimenting with loose forwards that clearly won't cut it when we have Burke starting at 13 at KR and doing well.
Smith just offers nothing I am afraid. He isn't a game breaker, his kicking is woeful (although he made a couple of rare ones last night) and his leadership and handling leaves a lot to be desired. We need an experienced No. 7 with vision and a game brain alongside Hampshire at No. 6. Powell needs to be back up half back and Williams needs to revert to interchanging No. 9 with MM.
So that leaves the centre, Is Ratchford the answer I don't know, maybe. Personally I would grovel to Jack Hughes, apologise that he was farmed out and give the lad a new contract. Get Thornley fit in the off season so he can challenge for both centre positions leaving Tierney to cover FB and the wings.
Bateman and J. Tomkins to play second row and make Farrell work and train hard for a place in the squad because for 2 seasons his lack of form and poor discipline certainly does not warrant a claim in the 13.'"
Things are bad but let's not re-write history, Sarginson is a far better centre than Hughes
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "I like your strong attitude but I think not as many changes are needed. If we look at next season for example
I'd love us to sign Danny Brough a couple of years ago when we got Smith but I'm sure if he was going to move to a big club he would have done so long before now. Regardless of that, he's 32 now so not really a forward thinking option. Hampshire and Williams are the future IMO
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| Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Wigan will do well to keep Hampshire unless something happens. i.e. he stops favouring Williams/Smith in the halves and gives Hampshire a run in the halves.
I don't see a where Tierney fits in. As a full back we'll have Sam with Hampshire as a back up, and in time someone else will come through the system.
On the wings we'll have Manfredi and Charnley with cover in other established better players.'"
Williams is a 7 but Smith is untouchable for some reason??
Changing the players round and picking Hampshire in the halves will not change anything. They need to change the attacking sets / plays because the are so readable......it is the same move from Maguire with different personnel that is it. We been doing it for a long time and if the fans can read the set play by play then so can opposition clubs. If you look at the games we have lost this season it is from when this move doesnt come off and as John Wells said before the game and Stevo during the game they either go in to desperate mode or keep with the move and get no where. So putting Hampshire in isnt going to change it.
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| Quote: Grimmy "Things are bad but let's not re-write history, Sarginson is a far better centre than Hughes'"
I don't think he is and that is despite Hughes really being a back row forward.
Hughes knows what centre play is about and Sarge doesn't. I don't think he has a clue.
Yes he is a super-fit athlete but he has no RL brain. Defensively he's poor as well.
Why he's not been dropped given some of his performances can only be because we have no one else or there is something seriously wrong. Charnley is still carrying the can for Sarge mistakes as it is IMO.
One of the last games Hughes played for us was at centre when we had some injuries and we looked so much better with him there. He isn't the solution long term but he'd be a better option right now than Sarge.
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