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Quote: Sweaty Betty's "It masks what people are actually dying of so you do not get accurate data.'"


I understand that but why?

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Quote: Pieman "because it mutates every year and not everyone has it so thats really a moot point, they cant get treatment due to covid being so rife and taking away resources, like I said my sister is a nurse on the ICU and can ensure you its a killer and EVERY single person in there atm with covid is non vaccinated, these people who refuse it are taking away the resources and putting it under pressure, the US have the highest death toll and cases in the world, they were and still are very blase about it, my american friend still refers to it as "the flu" although his brother has just come out of hospital with it. Did lockdown not allow the hospitals to recover? the answer is yes so it worked, thats all it was meant to do, so yes I agree with them as if they are done right as like you said you wont abide and I know countless other who wont and to be fair havent all the way through so we will always be fighting a losing battle similar to masks as they were never going to work with the ignorance of people.

Ill leave it there as we have both said our piece now and seems we will never see eye to eye on the matter.'"


I think I saw a figure the other day saying 7/10 or similar that are in ICU or are seriously ill are unvaccinated.

Whilst I agree that we cannot keep vaccinating everyone every 6 months, at the moment it seems to be the best option. The evidence of that is the large number of cases we have and the fact the hospital admissions and deaths is low compared to 1 year ago.

The government has messed up a lot of things the last couple of years but they may have got this one right by design or by chance.

What I do think is absolutely hilarious is the army of people who spout rubbish about the government taking away our rights or the government doing this to control us. It’s dangerous to spread that type of rhetoric and plain moronic. There isn’t any incentive for the government to be doing all of this. They don’t benefit from all of the lockdowns, it’s crippling the country financially.

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Quote: nathan_rugby "What bit is interesting? I had already read all of this information on the BBC with more context and zero assumptions and or biased parallels drawn.'"


if its not interesting just ignore it

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Quote: knockonknockon "interesting again



I got bored after 15 seconds.

Hardly interesting

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Gonna be one long off season innit?

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Quote: TheWarringtonWolve69 "I got bored after 15 seconds.

Hardly interesting'"


Can't believe ivw been duped into a link to this guy.
I'd rather pull my own arm off and hit myself.over the head with it for a fortnight then listen to him

He'd probably put Jim Davidson in charge of the pandemic response icon_rolleyes.gif

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Just another cold / flu yet hospitals around the world are struggling and seeing increasing numbers?

Most of the people in intensive care / ICU are unvaccinated. Go figure!

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Quote: nathan_rugby "Just another cold / flu yet hospitals around the world are struggling and seeing increasing numbers?

Most of the people in intensive care / ICU are unvaccinated. Go figure!'"


The problem with that statistic is it doesn’t tell the whole story or give any context behind it. It’s just another sensationalised statistic for people to read in the media.

Why doesn’t the news report that the majority of people in hospital are vaccinated?

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Quote: WiganRL12345 "The problem with that statistic is it doesn’t tell the whole story or give any context behind it. It’s just another sensationalised statistic for people to read in the media.

Why doesn’t the news report that the majority of people in hospital are vaccinated?'"


Do you mean the people in Hospital with other illnesses or those in Hospital with Covid ?

If you mean with Covid then I'm afraid the majority (Statistically) are Unvaccinated & on ICU's it's around 90% Unvaccinated (As of about a week ago)

Now I'm sure there's going to be some twisting and turning in your reply but it is a statistical fact (See Itchy I didn't use capitals icon_biggrin.gif ) that you are far more likely to catch, transmit, be hospitalised, end up on ICU and Die if you are unvaccinated than if you are the last 3 being the Key statistic.

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And while I'm at it - If you get Covid there is a far more likely chance of you dying from Thrombosis/heart issues etc. than there is of getting it from the Jab.

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Quote: Jukesays "Do you mean the people in Hospital with other illnesses or those in Hospital with Covid ?

If you mean with Covid then I'm afraid the majority (Statistically) are Unvaccinated & on ICU's it's around 90% Unvaccinated (As of about a week ago)

Now I'm sure there's going to be some twisting and turning in your reply but it is a statistical fact (See Itchy I didn't use capitals
Afraid that statistic that was quoted has been proved incorrect (believe it was quoted on GMTV by Dr Hilary) the majority of people in hospital statistically are vaccinated.

Regarding your statement about far less likely to catch, transmit, get seriously ill from being unvaccinated vs vaccinated, please tell me how and where you can prove this?

There is literally no way of confirming that given you aren’t comparing a like for like comparison.

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Quote: WiganRL12345 "The problem with that statistic is it doesn’t tell the whole story or give any context behind it. It’s just another sensationalised statistic for people to read in the media.

Why doesn’t the news report that the majority of people in hospital are vaccinated?'"


Also, if the majority of people were in hospital with “something else” and they just happen to test positive with covid, then why the spike in hospital cases? Wouldn’t the overall cases compare similar to normal periods for same time of year?

Now don’t get me wrong it would be helpful to know how many are in hospital with covid vs because of covid but I am sure the government are aware and factor this into decision making.

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Quote: WiganRL12345 "Afraid that statistic that was quoted has been proved incorrect (believe it was quoted on GMTV by Dr Hilary) the majority of people in hospital statistically are vaccinated.

Regarding your statement about far less likely to catch, transmit, get seriously ill from being unvaccinated vs vaccinated, please tell me how and where you can prove this?

There is literally no way of confirming that given you aren’t comparing a like for like comparison.'"


I'm afraid that the statistic that you think I'm referring to, which was an error by Dr hillary Jones, isn't what I'm referring to.
His statistic was wrong as he said 90% hospitalised when in fact it was 35%
Even that though shows statistically you are far more likely to be hospitalised as there are approx (and at the time of the statement 82% were double jabbed) 4 to 5 times as many people double jabbed. Per 100,000 people currently you are something like 10x times more likely to be hospitalised if you are unvaccinated
However
What he should have said is that around 90% of people in icu/dying are unvaccinated

Which again shows that, converting it to per 100,000, you are far far more likely to be hospitalised/ocu or die from covid if you are unvaccinated

Not opinion, statistically proven

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Quote: WiganRL12345 "Afraid that statistic that was quoted has been proved incorrect (believe it was quoted on GMTV by Dr Hilary) the majority of people in hospital statistically are vaccinated.

Regarding your statement about far less likely to catch, transmit, get seriously ill from being unvaccinated vs vaccinated, please tell me how and where you can prove this?

There is literally no way of confirming that given you aren’t comparing a like for like comparison.'"


What is the actual measurement for the “majority of people in hospital statistically are vaccinated”?

90% of the population are vaccinated… so that statement is rather obvious.

What is it in terms of likelihood of going to hospital for vaccinated vs unvaccinated !

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