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| I've just read the article with Hock in rugbyleague world and he sounds like a guy that can't wait to get back. A fired up and hungry Gaz Hock playing in a quality side with a quality coach that instills a hardworking attitude is unbelievably scary because a half ar*ed Gaz Hock in an average side with a poor work ethic and attitude was still a very good player.
On a side note he says he's looking at coming back and playing as a backrower. He feels it's where his game is best suited to and unless he really up's his workrate(which is very possible) in defence i'd agree.
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| Quote: jdrocket "I know i understood it. It was funny. I think Hoffman said it, yeah?
I was just saying i don't think i have seen some one sig a quote of a player who hasn't played a minute of [sizefootie[/size for the club.'"
Its Rugby not footie !!!
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51898_1347989911.png "Come, follow me, and I will show you how to fish for people!" Matthew 4:19
Things I learned on 11/08/12
Gareth Hock can't pass
Gareth Hock can't run
Gareth Hock can't fight
[url=http://www.dailystar.co.uk/rugby/view/256856/Gareth-Hock-relives-drugs-ban-hell/:22njixh9]I'm assured he can snort a line of coke the size of a Mecca dauber though.[/url:22njixh9]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_51898.png |
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| Quote: ray13 "Its Rugby not footie !!!'"
seriously????
you thought that was worthy of a reply?
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| Quote: MadDogg "I'm looking forward to see Gareth back - a world class player on his day and worthy of a place in a champion team.
But Gareth's upcoming return only adds to the likelihood that sometime over the next year or two, Wigan may have to make a very hard decision to release one or maybe more young, quality Wiganers upon which they will receive an inevitable backlash from some fans both within and outside of the club.
If we're to say for arguement's sake Sean O'Loughlin is a dead cert for the 13 spot, you're then looking at an absolute maximum of 4 remaining places in the side for backrowers. There is also an absolute maximum of 4 prop places available in a side of 17.
If Hock comes back as a 2nd rower, 7 into 4 just doesn't go. If Hock comes back at prop, 7 into 4 just doesn't go. When all of those 7 are players who have the potential to go very far in the game, you not only can't blame them for looking elsewhere for an opportunity for more action but you would have to encourage it for their sake.
The important thing to remember though when the inevitable decision or decisions are made is that this time around they have not come about as a result of mass overseas recruitment but the reality that the terrific work being done by the Wigan youth system is actually producing more quality players than Wigan can accommodate.
Before certain people launch into their predictable rant which seems to be a conditioned response when something like this happens, maybe they should recognise that if every SL club were able to produce the same amount of output from their youth development systems then Super League, England and the game as a whole would be in a far healthier state.'"
Very good points all things being equal but they are not. Hock got banned for breaking the rules on drugs. The other 6 props or second rowers didn't. Someone said earlier he deserves another chance. Well IMO that chance should not come at the expense of players who were not stupid enough to take drugs.
We don't actually need him back. We won the GF without him and have players coming through. If Wigan had said he was finished with the club once the ban was confirmed that would be in line with what would happen to many if us in our own jobs and that would not be denying us the opportunity for future employment elsewhere and the same would be true for Hock. He would find another club easily enough (Penirth for example!) but I don't think it would be Leeds or Saints. I don't think they would touch him and I am not sure why we need to either.
Dave
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| Quote: DaveO "Very good points all things being equal but they are not. Hock got banned for breaking the rules on drugs. The other 6 props or second rowers didn't. Someone said earlier he deserves another chance. Well IMO that chance should not come at the expense of players who were not stupid enough to take drugs.
We don't actually need him back. We won the GF without him and have players coming through. If Wigan had said he was finished with the club once the ban was confirmed that would be in line with what would happen to many if us in our own jobs and that would not be denying us the opportunity for future employment elsewhere and the same would be true for Hock. He would find another club easily enough (Penirth for example!) but I don't think it would be Leeds or Saints. I don't think they would touch him and I am not sure why we need to either.
Dave'"
Wow, how narrow minded can you get? The other six props or second rowers have to fight for their place next year just as an ex-GB International will have to, lets really judge that at the end of the season as there is obviously enough cash to keep all the current squad in place.
Yeah we won the big one without him but if we want to progress we always need to improve and Hock will add a lot of power to the forwards for not a lot of dosh. Saints would have snapped him up on a long contract if he was available to them.
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| Quote: DaveO "Very good points all things being equal but they are not. Hock got banned for breaking the rules on drugs. The other 6 props or second rowers didn't. Someone said earlier he deserves another chance. Well IMO that chance should not come at the expense of players who were not stupid enough to take drugs.
We don't actually need him back. We won the GF without him and have players coming through. If Wigan had said he was finished with the club once the ban was confirmed that would be in line with what would happen to many if us in our own jobs and that would not be denying us the opportunity for future employment elsewhere and the same would be true for Hock. He would find another club easily enough (Penirth for example!) but I don't think it would be Leeds or Saints. I don't think they would touch him and I am not sure why we need to either.
Dave'"
We won the grand final without Hoffman, Lima and Finch so by your reckoning we shouldn't sign them either. If Gareth Hock is available after he has served his time, (excessive time in my opinion), I for one would love to see him back.
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| Quote: Carneys Pint "Pretty sure that whilst serving a drugs ban he's not meant to have any contact with the club etc.'"
Why??? just because he has had contact with a club doesnt mean anything is signed!! how did penrith approach him ,telepathy?? do you think he would be allowed to say in the national press, "I have kept in contact with the club"!!??
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| Quote: DaveO "Very good points all things being equal but they are not. Hock got banned for breaking the rules on drugs. The other 6 props or second rowers didn't. Someone said earlier he deserves another chance. Well IMO that chance should not come at the expense of players who were not stupid enough to take drugs.
We don't actually need him back. We won the GF without him and have players coming through. If Wigan had said he was finished with the club once the ban was confirmed that would be in line with what would happen to many if us in our own jobs and that would not be denying us the opportunity for future employment elsewhere and the same would be true for Hock. He would find another club easily enough (Penirth for example!) but I don't think it would be Leeds or Saints. I don't think they would touch him and I am not sure why we need to either.
Dave'"
If you think teams like saints an leeds dont want gaz hock then your deluded.. Believe me they ALL have "unoffically of course" been at his door.
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| Quote: Vectrabeast "Why??? just because he has had contact with a club doesnt mean anything is signed!! how did penrith approach him ,telepathy?? do you think he would be allowed to say in the national press, "I have kept in contact with the club"!!??'"
He's not allowed to speak to anyone including his family for two years. Thats the rules..
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| Quote: DaveO "Very good points all things being equal but they are not. Hock got banned for breaking the rules on drugs. The other 6 props or second rowers didn't. Someone said earlier he deserves another chance. Well IMO that chance should not come at the expense of players who were not stupid enough to take drugs.
We don't actually need him back. We won the GF without him and have players coming through. If Wigan had said he was finished with the club once the ban was confirmed that would be in line with what would happen to many if us in our own jobs and that would not be denying us the opportunity for future employment elsewhere and the same would be true for Hock. He would find another club easily enough (Penirth for example!) but I don't think it would be Leeds or Saints. I don't think they would touch him and I am not sure why we need to either.
Dave'"
Back to normal, disagreeing with DaveO again!
I don't know that many jobs where drug tests are applied, let alone enforced. There would be a lot of people out of work if recreational drugs involved sacking.
He'll have done his time, and deserves a clean slate, and to be judged purely on his playing performances.
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| Quote: DaveO "Very good points all things being equal but they are not. Hock got banned for breaking the rules on drugs. The other 6 props or second rowers didn't. Someone said earlier he deserves another chance. Well IMO that chance should not come at the expense of players who were not stupid enough to take drugs.
We don't actually need him back. We won the GF without him and have players coming through. If Wigan had said he was finished with the club once the ban was confirmed that would be in line with what would happen to many if us in our own jobs and that would not be denying us the opportunity for future employment elsewhere and the same would be true for Hock. He would find another club easily enough (Penirth for example!) but I don't think it would be Leeds or Saints. I don't think they would touch him and I am not sure why we need to either.
Dave'"
But ethics aside (because ethics differ from person to person and are not a standard you can just invoke like you can a legality), surely the club's duty to its fans is to put the best team together possible? In that respect, if Hock looks to Maguire and co like a better option than the other young forwards you mention, and a reasonable financial accommodation can be reached, then the club would be remiss to let him go elsewhere.
The levels of stupidity or lack of stupidity of these respective players don't really come into it.
This Hock thing seems to be a bit of a bugbear for you, Dave. You chunnered a long time about not knowing what was happening with him - a long time after everyone else accepted that it wasn't possible for Wigan to make a decision at that stage. And now you have a problem with the rumour that Wigan are about to reach a deal with him. I respect many of your posts, but there are times - like this - when I feel you're just trying to find a way to swim against the tide.
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| Gaz Hock was at Nickle road bonfire last night with all the teenagers gave them a load of fire works, grandson said he looked great and in good spirit.
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| Quote: Ashton Bears "Gaz Hock was at Nickle road bondfire last night with all the teenagers gave them a load of fire works, grandson said he looked great and in good spirit.'"
bondfire...Things must have changed since I was little.
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| Always been a bad at spelling
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| Quote: Ashton Bears "Gaz Hock was at [sizeNickle[/size road bonfire last night with all the teenagers gave them a load of fire works, grandson said he looked great and in good spirit.'"
Anywhere near Nicol Rd
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