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I thought he reffed it very well.His job is made very hard by wigan at times when there is constantly 3 men in the tackle and lie on constantly and wait for the ref to tell them to get off.I thought once the tackle was made you had to roll away not start to roll the man over onto his back..Also i noticed about a lot of the wigan players trying to grab the ball in the tackle even though the saints players had no intention of offlading the ball.2 or 3 times in the game i noticed saints players trying to play the ball with the wigan players hands still wrapped round it .When the wigan player then tries to pull his hands away the ball is reefed out.

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Quote: saintnickle34 "I thought he reffed it very well.His job is made very hard by wigan at times when there is constantly 3 men in the tackle and lie on constantly and wait for the ref to tell them to get off.I thought once the tackle was made you had to roll away not start to roll the man over onto his back..Also i noticed about a lot of the wigan players trying to grab the ball in the tackle even though the saints players had no intention of offlading the ball.2 or 3 times in the game i noticed saints players trying to play the ball with the wigan players hands still wrapped round it .When the wigan player then tries to pull his hands away the ball is reefed out.'"


I'm sure this is a completely honest appraisal of what happened.

After all, your sign-in name indicates that you make fair play your highest priority.

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Quote: Cruncher "I'm sure this is a completely honest appraisal of what happened.

After all, your sign-in name indicates that you make fair play your highest priority.[/quote]

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Quote: saintnickle34 "I thought he reffed it very well.His job is made very hard by wigan at times when there is constantly 3 men in the tackle and lie on constantly and wait for the ref to tell them to get off.I thought once the tackle was made you had to roll away not start to roll the man over onto his back..Also i noticed about a lot of the wigan players trying to grab the ball in the tackle even though the saints players had no intention of offlading the ball.2 or 3 times in the game i noticed saints players trying to play the ball with the wigan players hands still wrapped round it .When the wigan player then tries to pull his hands away the ball is reefed out.'"


How about the time when KFC ( i think it was not 100% tho) tackled one of our players while he was trying to play the ball icon_lol.gif Then he swung his arm out at him icon_lol.gif

Not to mention when KFC saw Tommy with an invisible ball, but it was Wigan making it difficult wasnt it? icon_lol.gif

Both teams try to get away with what they can in every game and Sundays was no different.

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Quote: Wandering Warrior "How about the time when KFC ( i think it was not 100% tho) tackled one of our players while he was trying to play the ball
Bentham penalised both incidents.

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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Bentham penalised both incidents.'"


Exactly.

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Who was the video ref

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Quote: zntyres "Oh well done phil, fabulous performance, your usual impartial reffing of a Wigan game.
He's as bent as a nine bob note, and, along with cummings in his ear he's cleverer than the lot of you put together. It's amazing how blatant decisions are accepted as "he was bad for both sides" NO HE WAS'NT.The penalty COUNT means nowt, it's WHEN and WHERE that counts, and as far as I'm concerned his antics are wearing a little bit thin. Why don't the club do a Daniel Anderson and threaten to refuse to play under a certain referee? it worked for Saints IIRC.'"


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Quote: Conroy "Thought he had a good game. We didn't lose because of him put it that way'"

Were You actually sober enough to watch the game or even remember it?

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Even Cullen in Boots' n' All was criticising the awarding of Warrington's first try against Bradford - he would have disallowed it for obstruction, but Bentham (apparently from Warrington) gave the try. Just as bad as Ganson giving St.helens their final try against Salford when he was obviously held up over the line. Neither of these were 50/50 calls but 95/5 calls ( the 5 being Warrington or Saints fans!!)

No ref should be allowed to officiate (as ref or video ref) at his hometown club - to try and avoid accusations of bias. Refs make mistakes, but if they are neutral then they are more likely to be viewed as "honest" mistakes by fans of both teams.

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Quote: Fames "Even Cullen in Boots' n' All was criticising the awarding of Warrington's first try against Bradford - he would have disallowed it for obstruction, but Bentham (apparently from Warrington) gave the try. Just as bad as Ganson giving St.helens their final try against Salford when he was obviously held up over the line. Neither of these were 50/50 calls but 95/5 calls ( the 5 being Warrington or Saints fans!!)

No ref should be allowed to officiate (as ref or video ref) at his hometown club - to try and avoid accusations of bias. Refs make mistakes, but if they are neutral then they are more likely to be viewed as "honest" mistakes by fans of both teams.'"


Bentham is from Leigh (he lives in Warrington)

There is no bias, refs hate all clubs / players equally. That's why they become refs in the first place

Salfords first try in that game included an obvious knock on and then a forward pass where Holdsworth (IIRC) just drops it in front of Matty Smith to kick it on. That was given by Ganson when it went to the screen (and before you say it I know you can't go to the screen for a forward pass)

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Thought Bentham had a good game tonight in the Sky Huddersfield v Hull KR game. Let the game flow and it was entertaining. Actually thought he wasn't too bad against Saints ( the touch judge awarding a penalty to Saints when Carmont was penalised with Wigan in possession was for me the crucial game changing moment as Saints scored twice in 5 minutes after that, including a 50/50 video ref call for Meli's try). The controversial decisions/calls were again by the video ref - very difficult and either might have been judged to be a penalty try. On balance, though, knock-on for 1st and penalty for 2nd were marginally the correct decisions!

Let's just pray that Ganson gives us a fair crack of the whip tomorow ...!!

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Quote: TheOtherOne "
There is no bias, refs hate all clubs / players equally. That's why they become refs in the first place
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Since when?

I dabbled a bit with refereeing a few years ago and every referee in my society had a favourite team and most went to games as supporters when not officiating - a few of those people are now officials within SL and Championship level at present.

Not to say they are biased, but to detach an initial love of watching the game and / or an individual team as one of the reasons why they ultimately become referees in the first place is way wide of the mark and idealistic at best.

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Quote: TheOtherOne "Bentham is from Leigh (he lives in Warrington)

There is no bias, refs hate all clubs / players equally. That's why they become refs in the first place

Salfords first try in that game included an obvious knock on and then a forward pass where Holdsworth (IIRC) just drops it in front of Matty Smith to kick it on. That was given by Ganson when it went to the screen (and before you say it I know you can't go to the screen for a forward pass)'"


What a complete goon, refereeing a game is the hardest thing to do, you need the eyes of a fly to see everything! All referee, no matter what level they officiate at, have a favourite team. people become ref's because they ant to be part of the game, not to be bias!
now do me a favour and go and follow wendyball, for all our sakes! icon_frustrated.gif

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