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| Quote: Pie Eyed "But Amos is at his best on the wing.
Same goes for Pat.
Frankly, I don't want wingers at FB.
That makes Phelps the best FB at the club.
And as for quota spots and whatever, we already have one open. How many imports do you want at the end of the season?'"
Really? I'd say that's open to debate. IMO his best position is fullback and always has been, even in the NRL.
Roberts is clearly the best fullback at the club based on performance.
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| I dont think Amos is better on the wing. He is our most creative player and is a million times better at fullback in the middle of the park so he can be the core of our attack than being stuck out on the wing with less chance to create things like he does from fullback.
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| I think he was awesome last year.
And he started this season off well but when he came back int the team he didn't seem to be as good.
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| Quote: Cruncher "I can't help worrying on Phelps's behalf.
He needed a big season this year to get himself a new contract, and though he started very well, his injuries and the time it's taking him to rediscover his form are not helping at all.
As a fan, I like him. But if I was the chairman, having to think about the cap, overseas quota, etc, I'd be contemplating a difficult decision.
He needs a big second half to the season.'"
It's not a difficult decision. The quota is coming down and we need our overseas players to be the best in the side and in their position. Amos Roberts at fullback on his day he's probably the best in the league - Phelps isn't. He has great utlity value, but when we need to strengthen other areas (like at prop) and we have quota that is coming down, we can't afford to give up a quota spot to a utility player.
Phelps has no future as Wigan's number one IMO for as long as Amos Roberts is in the side and there is an overseas quota. I'll get shot down for saying it, but there you have it. I've called for Phelps to be given a shot at six since Huddersfield away (when we got tonked). Whether he will be given a shot is down to MaGuire. At the moment, the only potential opportunity for Phelps is when Sam plays for England. I just can't see where he fits into the squad. How can you deny Amos Roberts the fullback position in favour of Phelps? You can't. As soon as Roberts is fit you can bet your life that Phelps will be dropped in favour of him.
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| I prefer Pat & Goulding on the wings with Amos fullback over Amos & Pat on the wings with Phelps fullback anyday of the week.
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| Quote: Mother Feka "I dont think Amos is better on the wing. He is our most creative player and is a million times better at fullback in the middle of the park so he can be the core of our attack than being stuck out on the wing with less chance to create things like he does from fullback.'"
He's hardly "a million times better at fullback" than on the wing. He's a better finisher than Goulding and he's good under a high ball aswell.
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| Quote: Pie Eyed "But Amos is at his best on the wing.
That makes Phelps the best FB at the club.'"
What absolute rubbish. Amos is best when he gets to come in field looking for the ball. He's even said it himself in the match day programme. I quote"I like it at fullback and on the wing - it's good now with Madge here, because I can go inside and look for the ball, and that's what I like. I'm not just stuck to being on the wing, so it doesn't keep me one-dimensional."'"
Amos has the distribution skills to link up in attack because he has previously played at stand off. His biggest threat is his open field running and returns of the ball. He's elusive, powerful and very quick. So it makes sense for him to play fullback. Did you not see his performance at Castleford? You obviously didn't otherwise you wouldn't make the above statement. Watch it.
His stats from that game btw wereAnd as for quota spots and whatever, we already have one open. How many imports do you want at the end of the season?'"
I don't understand what you mean by this.
The Quota is coming down quite considerably compared to previous seasons. So we need our overseas players to be of the best at the club and one of the best in their position in Super League. Amos Roberts is the best fullback at the club and is one of the best in Super League. Cameron Phelps is not. He's a good player, but isn't worth a quota spot. So therefore because we need to strengthen in other areas - such as at prop - we need to keep our quota spots open to sign up players in other areas.
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| Quote: Mother Feka "I dont think Amos is better on the wing. He is our most creative player and is a million times better at fullback in the middle of the park so he can be the core of our attack than being stuck out on the wing with less chance to create things like he does from fullback.'"
Exactly. Remember his opening try against Warrington? Would Phelps have scored that?
I don't want to sound like I am getting on Phelps' back, he's a useful little player and great cover for Amos, but that's all he is - cover for Amos. I don't see him getting a contract next year because of the way Amos has been playing.
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[quote="Wire_91":1qsyq8gi]its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are[/quote:1qsyq8gi]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26076.jpg |
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| Quote: CAM. "He's hardly "a million times better at fullback" than on the wing. He's a better finisher than Goulding and he's good under a high ball aswell.'"
Im not saying hes rubbish on the wing, hes good on the wing aswell, but its a better option having our most creative player in the middle of everything than on the wing getting the ball less, dont you think?
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| Quote: cadoo "Exactly. Remember his opening try against Warrington? Would Phelps have scored that?
I don't want to sound like I am getting on Phelps' back, he's a useful little player and great cover for Amos, but that's all he is - cover for Amos. I don't see him getting a contract next year because of the way Amos has been playing.'"
Spot on. On current form, our best 5 backs are Roberts, Richards, Carmont Gleeson & Goulding, and that's the only combination of the five that works.
Having said that, I value Phelps highly as a utility back, and I'd like to see him stay on that basis, assuming he isn't on a massive salary deal, and also assuming IL has no-one better lined up to take up his quota spot.
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| Phelps' distribution is better that Roberts'. Amos is fantastic with ball in hand running at the defence, but I'd want Phelps if you're asking the fullback to play as an extra 6/7 as we have done.
Plus Roberts can still come in from the wing to carry the ball.
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Michael Maguire: Coach of the Year[/color:1qsyq8gi]
[quote="Wire_91":1qsyq8gi]its your first final in about 8 years and now you ravin and rantin about it F**k off, and ill be going old trafford tomoz cheering on the saints and ill be writing on this forum givin you loads of shi* when your drying you eyes and the wire fan will be here handing out the tissues in the thousands, thats if you do take that many fans cause now it looks like its your fans who have jumped on the band wagon now your in a final, this time last year there was only 1000 people in the jjb and now its fillin up cause youve won the league hahaha proper true supporters you are[/quote:1qsyq8gi]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_26076.jpg |
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| I think the real question is Goulding or Phelps? Amos and Richards walk into the team obviously but imo the last place is between them two, i think im right in thinking both of them are off contract at the end of the season? At the beginning of the season I would have said Phelps every time but Goulding is on fire this year, does the fact that hes home grown and doesnt count on the quota push him ahead abit? Or can we afford to keep both?
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| Quote: Mother Feka "I think the real question is Goulding or Phelps? Amos and Richards walk into the team obviously but imo the last place is between them two, i think im right in thinking both of them are off contract at the end of the season? At the beginning of the season I would have said Phelps every time but Goulding is on fire this year, does the fact that hes home grown and doesnt count on the quota push him ahead abit? Or can we afford to keep both?'"
I think we can afford to keep both, but IMO Goulding deserves to be ahead of Phels on this season's form so far, so if one of them has to go, then it's bye bye Cam, I'm afraid.
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| Quote: Geoff "I think we can afford to keep both, but IMO Goulding deserves to be ahead of Phels on this season's form so far, so if one of them has to go, then it's bye bye Cam, I'm afraid.'"
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| Personally I think its in the best interests of the team to keep both, as for instance this year now, as soon as an injury occurs, we may need somebody to fill in for us
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