Well that is where ones perception comes in and mine is that Ainscough looks to have something about him Roberts doesn't which given their different experience levels is.



I don't think he is a bad player either because every now and again he has had a really good game but he has had too many poor games this season.



I don't think there is much danger of that but getting back to Roberts he is one of the players who perhaps people are overlooking that the new coaches need to get more out of. Everyone is assuming Feka and Riddell will be the targets but if only two players were the problem we'd be much better than we have been.

Dave

Did Amos Roberts sleep with your wife Dave?

I think he slept with dave instead but just hadn't called since.

Ever heard of awards for the top meter maker? Obviously not!

The award goes to the player who made the most meters in a season. This year it was James Graham with 4713 but when you have two players who played a different number of games you do as you did and average out the stats per game. Obviously.

In that regard Ainscough made more meters per game than Roberts.

In the same way he made more tackle busts on average than Roberts, scored more tries per game than Roberts and made more clean breaks than average than Roberts.

All these stats are the Opta stats collected for every player throughout the season.

And guess what? In some stats Roberts is better than Ainscough. Just.

Now given one is a senior pro and the other a player in a debut season perhaps that might help you interpret the stats a bit better.

You can also dismiss a particular stat if you like but if you are going to quote stats in the first place that is what is "Straw clutchingirific."

Dave

To be honest you're right, there's room for improvement across the board in terms of delivering to potential, cutting out errors and giving 100% all the time of every match.

I honestly don't think we have any 'crap' players. We may have some underperforming ones, we may have ones who are not the best in SL at their given position. But I honestly don't think any of them are crap (and I know you don't either, just a tiny number who do).

If we can get every player on the team to give their all and buy in to the philosophy of continuous development and improvement we'll go a long way, and it will be like having some new signings.

Nobody ever says meters per game. Meters per carry is more telling.

And can you sort out your paragraphs. So painful to read your posts when they're split up into about 15 paragraphs.

I don't agree that it was clutching at straws, but obviously you can only try and make metres when you get given a carry, and in that respect metres per carry is a better indication of go forward than metres per game.

It's all moot though now, and you're right Shaun is a young player in his first season with a great future ahead of him. Amos can deliver more than he has, and i'm sure if you talked to the guy he'd feel the same.

Lets see what next season manages to bring.

Boring!

Sorry to post this
I read these forums more than i post, but is their some sort of agenda at the moment that wigan fans pick on wigan fans.
i.e. every post seems to turn into Dave O against everybody else or have i missed something , its started to wear a bit thin with me,and hands up who thinks giving a four year deal to Amos Roberts was a good idea .

I'm sorry but I dont think I have ever heard a positive word about Wigan come from DaveO. He is constantly trying to put a downer on all things about this great club and TBH it is starting to 'wear a bit thin with me'. Fair enough Roberts hasn't played to his best ability this season, but he has signed a four year deal and he is here to stay. The best thing for Roberts could be a change of coach. A coach who at Melbourne was a coach for the backs and worked with the likes of Inglis and Slater. Whats the point in slating Roberts now? The season is over. If he carries on underperforming 2 months into the season, with a new coach, then fair enough.

How about getting behind the lad and supporting him? Isn't that what supporters do?

Nail. Head.