|
 |
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 20548 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Tricky Dicky="Tricky Dicky"That wouldnt by some chance be a former GB prop would it!!!!'"
I could not possibly comment further!! 
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 750 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2008 | 17 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2014 | Jun 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote jonh="jonh"It is the jobs for the boys mentality or surrounding themselves with poor support staff that i feel is what has contributed to many coaches downfall including Noble.
Speaking from experience I was working inside a club whose coach was nominated for coach of the year, got them in the playoffs and had a fantastic season, 2 of his support staff left including the conditioner and he brought in someone who was in my opinion a joke in that capacity, before the end of the next season he had gone from a top coach being banded about as a GB coach to unemployed, now back in the game in the National Leagues.
A coach must surround themselves with top quality staff. John Kear is the master at it.
In my opinion Maguire has to bring someone with him to condition the team someone he already knows of, and rates, anything else would be a major risk on his part, personally not convinced by Hampson either, were he not an ex Wigan player i doubt there would be any call for him.
We as a club have to get out of this jobs for the boys mentality, and to be fair it looks like we have.'"
I never understand a jobs for the boys mentality. I have seen it in the places i have worked, and it has never ever been a success.
Now there is a difference in bringing good people with you, which happens in my field, but in a job where results count so much as they do in sports, why wouldnt you surround yourself with the people who can make you look good?
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 20548 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Sharpy_4a="Sharpy_4a"I never understand a jobs for the boys mentality. I have seen it in the places i have worked, and it has never ever been a success.
Now there is a difference in bringing good people with you, which happens in my field, but in a job where results count so much as they do in sports, why wouldnt you surround yourself with the people who can make you look good?'"
The old saying applies "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link", You can be a great coach technically and tactically spot on but if you make a poor judgement call on your support staff and recruit poorly all that ability could amount to nothing.
I would hope that with his already knowledge in the conditioning field that Maguire will bring in a real specialist, there is no point in him recruiting someone with a similar depth of knowledge to him, i would not be surprised to see him bring someone from a non rugby league background for this very reason, ie his own level of knowledge in this field.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 32373 | Wigan Warriors |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote jonh="jonh"The old saying applies "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link", You can be a great coach technically and tactically spot on but if you make a poor judgement call on your support staff and recruit poorly all that ability could amount to nothing.
I would hope that with his already knowledge in the conditioning field that Maguire will bring in a real specialist, there is no point in him recruiting someone with a similar depth of knowledge to him, i would not be surprised to see him bring someone from a non rugby league background for this very reason, ie his own level of knowledge in this field.'"
The only problem with that though Jonh is if this conditioner is Antipodean how would he get a work permit / visa?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 20548 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"The only problem with that though Jonh is if this conditioner is Antipodean how would he get a work permit / visa?'"
There did not seem to be a problem last year when Nathan Brown brought over a reserve team conditioner with him to head up the Huddersfield club with him.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 5463 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2016 | Oct 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote jonh="jonh"There did not seem to be a problem last year when Nathan Brown brought over a reserve team conditioner with him to head up the Huddersfield club with him.'"
I agree with what you've been saying jon, sports conditioning is so much more now than just getting people fit with them lifting weights and running distances there's a whole science behind it.
No disrespect to Forshaw and true I don't know his qualifications but it takes so much more than a former player pulling on the trainers vest and dictating what exercises are done to get players to there peak physical best.
The good thing for us is that McGuire's background is in this area, so this should be an aspect of the game that he realizes the importance of. If I were a betting man I like jon would imagine he'll bring someone over with him that he has previous experience with and has the utmost confidence in.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1995 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2016 | Feb 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Cruncher="Cruncher"I don't see anything in that article about their working relationship. I see a hint of dissatisfaction that a well-paid job wasn't done properly. But let's not forget headlines from Nobby like "I can't wait forever" and "eventually you get the message", all of which implied that he was being treated poorly - to me those are equally comments on their relationship. Then we had the drunken ranting to a bunch of Wigans fans in Australia, which very quickly made it onto the internet.
At this rate, in about two months we'll be seeing Brian Noble as some kind of martyr rather than a coach who in three and a half years couldn't get our potentially most devastating forward to lose a stone in weight. Even the Peter Foxes of this would could have managed that.
Enough said.'"
What drunken rantings were these?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 20628 | Oldham |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2009 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2016 | Aug 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
|
isn't he a fitness coach, would be perfect to bring him back
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 15271 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote Woody_woody="Woody_woody"What drunken rantings were these?'"
We're not going through this again, are we, with you demanding proof all the time?
It occurred sometime during the last Four Nations, and was all over this forum for several days. Go and look for it.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 351 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2005 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2012 | Nov 2012 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Cant the coach be a fitness coach or the assistant ? It sounds like some coaches make up roles for their mates, that may be the problem.
And i fall on the side of Ian Leneghan, a Wigan fan as Wigan RL chairman. Everything i have heard him say seems to be exactly how he sees it no lies or beating about the bush. If he hadnt said what he feels he saw no one else would have.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 21013 | Wigan Warriors |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2023 | Sep 2022 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
Moderator
|
| Quote ABP'="ABP'"Pongia has just been given the role of assistant coach at Canberra Raiders for 2010.
It looks as though he's doing pretty well.'"
He's clearly struggling to kick on from the pinnacle of his coaching career playing T&P with the Riversiders...
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 8189 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2025 | Feb 2025 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| We have a squad of 25 and two or three are unfit.
That is the responsibility of the head coach and he appoints fitness coaches to take care of it.
However, the players themselves have to accept the main responsibility. If 22 out of 25 can get themselves fit and stay at that level then the others should do likewise.
Perhaps this is the season those unfit players will have to shape up or ship out!
|
|
|
 |
|