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I don't think you've gone, by more it seems luck rather than good judgement you've found a balance in your team.
Keeping Whitby and Walmsley fresh will be Wellens' big challenge and then getting Welsby back for the business end will be a massive boost, obviously he has to play but the re-shuffle that will entail will probably determine how far you get.
He's the best full back in the league but that does give Wellens the problem of getting the half back combination right.
Very interesting that you rate Welsby higher than Field..... I personally think that Robertson has been the bigger shining light this season in a completely unfamiliar new role. Dagnall has also lessened the impact of losing Murphy for the second time this season (who had looked really good prior to his latest injury) |
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| Kings of Rugby:Stu M:Thought I would try and resurrect this a little as this place has been dead for a while now. There are loads of posters not posting anymore, I'm even missing my previous arch-nemesis Phuzzy  So the question is- are any of you missing Saints being as strong as we used to be (obviously you don't want us to win trophies) The reason I ask is that I have seen a couple of Wigan fans on Twitter recently saying that they feel HKR fans are unbearable and are missing a strong Saints- with the explanation being that at least we have a strong history as a club. I get that in the main as even though, I am a Utd fan I despise Liverpool but I do have more respect for them as a club than say City or Chelsea, due to their history. I've noticed for a while now that we barely get a mention on here win or lose, good or bad which shows how far we have fallen as a threat to Wigan. Conversely on Red Vee (and to be fair it is a much less toxic place now) Wigan are mentioned frequently (not all bad I hasten to add, indeed lots of times they are held up as setting the standards on and off the field) So I guess this is a long winded way of me asking the simple question.... Do you miss us? For me I think SL is at its best when Wigan, Saints and Leeds are all strong. I want to win everything, that's obvious. IF we can't however then I want Saints or Leeds to win it. Why? Because of the sheer effort each of those clubs delivers for the league. Proper youth development, big fan bases, rich histories stuffed with great players. You reap what you sow in life and those clubs only add to the sport, whilst so many others take, take take. Very interesting viewpoint and one that I would guess isn't shared by the vast majority of Wigan fans! |
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Very interesting viewpoint and one that I would guess isn't shared by the vast majority of Wigan fans!
More than likely and I can see why that would be so. What happens however, is that when you just "hate" Saints, you miss the bigger picture. What's good for Wigan, is good for Saints and that works both ways. It's a rivalry built off competition - not based off politics or religion. There needs to be respect there. When either team has success it pushes the other to compete. You win 4 in a row, we win all four in one go. Nothing stings as much as Saints winning something and I wouldn't have it any other way. Some would love it, but imagine if one of us went the way of Bradford. It would not only massively cripple the rivalry, but potentially the sport too. Quite simply - it should never be allowed to happen, EVER. Who would either team boast against? F-ing Wire? |
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| Stu M:apollosghost:
I don't think you've gone, by more it seems luck rather than good judgement you've found a balance in your team.
Keeping Whitby and Walmsley fresh will be Wellens' big challenge and then getting Welsby back for the business end will be a massive boost, obviously he has to play but the re-shuffle that will entail will probably determine how far you get.
He's the best full back in the league but that does give Wellens the problem of getting the half back combination right.
Very interesting that you rate Welsby higher than Field..... I personally think that Robertson has been the bigger shining light this season in a completely unfamiliar new role. Dagnall has also lessened the impact of losing Murphy for the second time this season (who had looked really good prior to his latest injury) Just think he's a very good all round fb, when you played Wire and he stopped Matty Ashton twice it was brilliant defensive play, the second time especially you could see he'd psyched Ashton out, but having said that if you desperately need someone to make a match winning play out of nothing then Field is your go to man. |
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| apollosghost:Stu M:apollosghost:
I don't think you've gone, by more it seems luck rather than good judgement you've found a balance in your team.
Keeping Whitby and Walmsley fresh will be Wellens' big challenge and then getting Welsby back for the business end will be a massive boost, obviously he has to play but the re-shuffle that will entail will probably determine how far you get.
He's the best full back in the league but that does give Wellens the problem of getting the half back combination right.
Very interesting that you rate Welsby higher than Field..... I personally think that Robertson has been the bigger shining light this season in a completely unfamiliar new role. Dagnall has also lessened the impact of losing Murphy for the second time this season (who had looked really good prior to his latest injury) Just think he's a very good all round fb, when you played Wire and he stopped Matty Ashton twice it was brilliant defensive play, the second time especially you could see he'd psyched Ashton out, but having said that if you desperately need someone to make a match winning play out of nothing then Field is your go to man. This little debate is why i like posting on here & other RLFans club forums. you can have a sensible debate, and appreciate players from other clubs for their talent All Wiganers know Welsby is a class act, the odd one will be a tool and show themselves up by stating otherwise, but 99.9% will acknowledge the fact he is a quality full back. Yes, there will be banter cos he plays for Saints, and as long as that doesnt cross the line should be there, or the rivalry wouldnt be what it is i've been regularly posting on the Hull FC board due to the debate around Sam Eseh, and again, there is plenty of respectful posting with knowledgeable fans appreciating a differing viewpoint |
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| Kings of Rugby:Stu M:Thought I would try and resurrect this a little as this place has been dead for a while now. There are loads of posters not posting anymore, I'm even missing my previous arch-nemesis Phuzzy So the question is- are any of you missing Saints being as strong as we used to be (obviously you don't want us to win trophies) The reason I ask is that I have seen a couple of Wigan fans on Twitter recently saying that they feel HKR fans are unbearable and are missing a strong Saints- with the explanation being that at least we have a strong history as a club. I get that in the main as even though, I am a Utd fan I despise Liverpool but I do have more respect for them as a club than say City or Chelsea, due to their history. I've noticed for a while now that we barely get a mention on here win or lose, good or bad which shows how far we have fallen as a threat to Wigan. Conversely on Red Vee (and to be fair it is a much less toxic place now) Wigan are mentioned frequently (not all bad I hasten to add, indeed lots of times they are held up as setting the standards on and off the field) So I guess this is a long winded way of me asking the simple question.... Do you miss us? For me I think SL is at its best when Wigan, Saints and Leeds are all strong. I want to win everything, that's obvious. IF we can't however then I want Saints or Leeds to win it. Why? Because of the sheer effort each of those clubs delivers for the league. Proper youth development, big fan bases, rich histories stuffed with great players. You reap what you sow in life and those clubs only add to the sport, whilst so many others take, take take. While I wouldn't agree that I'd want Saints or Leeds to win a GF if we didn't, I do agree with the sentiment and it's what frustrates me with all smoke blowing we see for HKR and the talk of wanting a new name on the trophy because it's 'good for the game'. It's good to a point and it's good for the game that they want to be a bigger and better club but the best thing any club can do for the game is to develop players, who can not only improve your club but can go out and thrive at other clubs as well. What HKR are doing in the main is 'good for them' but has little impact on the wider game (and success isn't sustainable for them either). Leeds have ex academy players at clubs across the league, as do Wigan and there are a few from Saints as well (although for some reason Saints players either seem to make it big at Saints or go down the leagues). In the past Bradford produced loads of top quality players as well, Huddersfield have done pretty well in that regard and I see Warrington trying to do that but there are too many clubs just happy to ride on the back of other clubs work. |
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| Mark_P1973:apollosghost:Stu M:apollosghost:
I don't think you've gone, by more it seems luck rather than good judgement you've found a balance in your team.
Keeping Whitby and Walmsley fresh will be Wellens' big challenge and then getting Welsby back for the business end will be a massive boost, obviously he has to play but the re-shuffle that will entail will probably determine how far you get.
He's the best full back in the league but that does give Wellens the problem of getting the half back combination right.
Very interesting that you rate Welsby higher than Field..... I personally think that Robertson has been the bigger shining light this season in a completely unfamiliar new role. Dagnall has also lessened the impact of losing Murphy for the second time this season (who had looked really good prior to his latest injury) Just think he's a very good all round fb, when you played Wire and he stopped Matty Ashton twice it was brilliant defensive play, the second time especially you could see he'd psyched Ashton out, but having said that if you desperately need someone to make a match winning play out of nothing then Field is your go to man. This little debate is why i like posting on here & other RLFans club forums. you can have a sensible debate, and appreciate players from other clubs for their talent All Wiganers know Welsby is a class act, the odd one will be a tool and show themselves up by stating otherwise, but 99.9% will acknowledge the fact he is a quality full back. Yes, there will be banter cos he plays for Saints, and as long as that doesnt cross the line should be there, or the rivalry wouldnt be what it is i've been regularly posting on the Hull FC board due to the debate around Sam Eseh, and again, there is plenty of respectful posting with knowledgeable fans appreciating a differing viewpoint There are plenty on Red Vee who cross the line when it comes to discussing Wigan. |
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| Stu M:apollosghost:
I don't think you've gone, by more it seems luck rather than good judgement you've found a balance in your team.
Keeping Whitby and Walmsley fresh will be Wellens' big challenge and then getting Welsby back for the business end will be a massive boost, obviously he has to play but the re-shuffle that will entail will probably determine how far you get.
He's the best full back in the league but that does give Wellens the problem of getting the half back combination right.
Very interesting that you rate Welsby higher than Field..... I personally think that Robertson has been the bigger shining light this season in a completely unfamiliar new role. Dagnall has also lessened the impact of losing Murphy for the second time this season (who had looked really good prior to his latest injury) I like Dagnall, I think he has all the attributes to be a very good player. If I were Saints I would persevere with him even when Murphy is fit (which it looks is not very often). |
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| Zig:Stu M:apollosghost:
I don't think you've gone, by more it seems luck rather than good judgement you've found a balance in your team.
Keeping Whitby and Walmsley fresh will be Wellens' big challenge and then getting Welsby back for the business end will be a massive boost, obviously he has to play but the re-shuffle that will entail will probably determine how far you get.
He's the best full back in the league but that does give Wellens the problem of getting the half back combination right.
Very interesting that you rate Welsby higher than Field..... I personally think that Robertson has been the bigger shining light this season in a completely unfamiliar new role. Dagnall has also lessened the impact of losing Murphy for the second time this season (who had looked really good prior to his latest injury) I like Dagnall, I think he has all the attributes to be a very good player. If I were Saints I would persevere with him even when Murphy is fit (which it looks is not very often). Yeah he’s impressed me Dagnall. What strikes me the most is his build. Usually young lads in their first year are skinny and slight. He’s very athletic and muscular with a great frame. Has carried really strong and finished his tries really well. Looks to have all the attributes of a top winger at such a young age. Despite our struggles this season to have Robertson, Whitby, Dagnall and Stephens getting such game time augurs well for the future. People forget Delaney is still very young too. Lots to be positive about if we recruit well too. |
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Those Saints youngsters coming through are why I would never revel in a club like Saints or Leeds (temporary) demise (and some opposition fans wouldn't do with us). Things can get a bit iffy for a spell and that spell could last a couple of years or even a decade or more but they'll get back to the top eventually, competing for trophies because of that work they do in bringing good players through the systems. I feel like I'm putting the boot in to HKR a bit this last couple of weeks but I'm really not in saying this and that is if they do not start to bring players through, this successful period will be short lived and they'll collapse like a deck of cards eventually. Without a steady stream of academy players coming through, you're a couple of exits and poor signings away from a real drop off.
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Those Saints youngsters coming through are why I would never revel in a club like Saints or Leeds (temporary) demise (and some opposition fans wouldn't do with us). Things can get a bit iffy for a spell and that spell could last a couple of years or even a decade or more but they'll get back to the top eventually, competing for trophies because of that work they do in bringing good players through the systems. I feel like I'm putting the boot in to HKR a bit this last couple of weeks but I'm really not in saying this and that is if they do not start to bring players through, this successful period will be short lived and they'll collapse like a deck of cards eventually. Without a steady stream of academy players coming through, you're a couple of exits and poor signings away from a real drop off.
No I don’t think you are being harsh. I agree. Wigan, Saints and Leeds are the shining lights with youth development and to a lesser extent now so too Warrington who are making great strides. I still also attribute a lot of their success to Peters. Not so sure other coaches get as much out of that squad which on paper isn’t fantastic. However he’s done a superb job in developing players like Hadley, Batchelor, Broadbent etc and then of course natural stars like Lewis plus some good recruitment. However there comes a point where their lack of youth coming through hits them. Wigan are now dealing with what we’ve had to deal with winning trophies hitting the SC and players wanting the bigger bucks. Coote and Fages were examples of two that we had to let go. Luckily we had Welsby and Dodd coming through at the time. Radlinski has now admitted the SC is hurting them too. French is out for 8 weeks and then Farrimond comes in- a generational talent who probably gets in every other team. Without that conveyor belt of youth everything becomes much harder. |
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