I think the difference is he never gets them

You're right though, he does too much of it for my liking. Although in his defence I'm with him that anyone should have the audacity to tackle any Wigan player. The RFL should sort it out. Do they not know we own them?

Mutterings on RedVee about not risking Walmsley tonight, understandable with the cup next week but if they struggle against this Leeds team at the minute without him then maybe a few doubts will creep him and questions get started to be asked

What is your criteria for saying that Walmsley's behind those other props??He
is the best Prop in Superleague and would walk into any NRL team. The same cannot be said about Bateman.

Criteria? It’s pretty simple, they’re better than he is and are proving it in the best league in the world, against each other and a number of other props who are top 10-15 in the world and also some beastly loose forwards like Taumalolo and Fa'asuamaleaui.

I can buy Walmsley being world class, absolutely I can but we’re living in a dream world if we’re putting him on a par with Haas, Fisher-Harris etc.

Again it comes back to definitions. If world class is top ten (ish) then yes, if world class is top 2 or 3 (as Nathan said) then not for me, not a chance.

By the same token, if it’s top 10 then Bateman is in, if it’s top 2 or 3 then he isn’t.

You mean the Bateman that did walk into an NRL side and won the Dally M as best 2nd rower in the comp? That Bateman?

This debate has been done to death mate. Read the thread and save us all some time.

Walmsley, Lees, Matautia, Amor, Grace and Hopoate missing tonight. Not sure about you NK but I make that 6

I actually don’t think it’s a bad thing for Saints going forward to have a few injuries (as long as they’re short term). Those lads like Norman, Bennison, Royle, Wingfield etc need minutes in a team where it feels like people expect them to perform and win games, rather than just being rolled out to give others rests, which for any team seems to result in a drop in intensity across the board.

Yeah I get you. It’s not like we’ve chosen to make 10 changes and almost accepted a defeat the week before a final whatever. There’ll be an element of pressure tonight. Be interesting to see how they cope. I know you joked about Wingfield the other day in terms of his standing as a 1st teamer but I rate him highly. Hope he gets some good minutes tonight.

It was a joke, I do know who the lad is to a point. I can’t say I’ve seen a lot of him but I have heard positive things.

So I’m guessing this has been put to bed now?

No Lees, Walmsley, Grace, Hopoate, Mautatia. There’s 5.

Amor can count as 6.

Child absolutely hammered us with six agains.No matter how poor Leeds have been, to nil any SL team is a superb effort

Eh?

The whole talk was a lack of an injury crisis and it’s not that yet is it?!

You do realise Leeds we’re missing Myler, Fusitua, Newman, Sezer, Dwyer. Tetevano, Mellor, Holroyd and Thompson don’t you? And they lost Oledzki and Bentley during the game.

Saints were pretty good tonight but the whole debate has been can Saints do it week to week during an injury crisis. If the other team has one far worse it’s not going to prove a great deal.

You’re moving the goalposts now. Last week you challenged us to find a single game where we had 5 missing. Tonight we had 6 missing. Yes I know Leeds had players missing too.

We are constantly told we are a one man team. No Walmsley no win.