This.^^^
I even switched channels to watch the England vs Pakistan 1 day cricket, so dire was the Wigan offering
Now there's a team that's gone from upwards at a rate of knots in the world rankings since a new (Australian) coach appointed.

100% Wigan is 100% right about Jack Hughes. In my opinion, the same - only more so - applies to Ryan Hampshire. He and George Williams have been excellent together all through the junior ranks and internationals. They have never had a proper chance to partner at first-team level, and with good coaching they could have been the new Edwards and Gregory.

John like yourself I have decided not to use my ST until the end of the season but not just because of SW but because we have a large number of players who lack basic RL skills e.g. Sarginson & Gelling. Players who have no real position so have no key critical skills for the roles they are asked to play e.g. Powell and Tierney. Players that are physically too small e.g. Isa, Bateman and Farrell backrow. Forwards who are pretty useless e.g.Mossop & Crosby. Players who are vastly overrated e.g. Flower, MM, Smith & JT. Players that are busted e.g. SOL - hopefully ST will not fall into this category.
Sprinkle that with lack of fitness, no aggression and zero intensity we are on the back foot before we get to the coach.

I've been saying for a while it's more than the coach that is problem. The biggest problems are the woeful lack of quality in the squad, lack of physicality in the forwards to make hard yards and the exceptional poor levels of fitness
I've just listed the majority of our starting 17 and with exception of Bateman and Farrell if the rest left tomorrow I wouldn't give a fishes tit but for me you still cannot play Farrell & Bateman together in the backrow
KR and IL are as culpable as SW in bringing this shambles of forwards who can't make yards, half backs with such poor hands and backs who can't pass. If SW goes then KR for me must also go.
The club could give me a ST for next season even if was for free and as much ale as I could sup each game I'd still pass. The quality for the last 3 seasons has been so gut churningly awful it has sucked the love of the game out of me. It will take a lot more than some new coach coming in to get me through the turnstiles next season irrespective of who that could be.

It's sad to hear long-time supporters talk like that, even though I don't disagree with much of what you say. I will say that Faz and Bateman are in my book two of the best players in our squad. if Bateman is considered too small for the pack, then play him in the centres; he's certainly better there than most of our 'proper' centres. But yes, a good clear-out is needed.

Get yourself a subscription to the NRL games, Itchy. It's not all great, but some of the sides (the Panthers. Eels and Tigers spring to mind) do play some entertaining footy.

Nail on the head with this

I rate Farrell and Bateman but together equals too small.
The last time I felt like this was one with Noble on a seasons opener against Wakefield when I thought I'd never see a team so inept again.
I probably will end going to a game or two next season knowing me! Its just the sadist in me!
Believe it or not despite my pontificating and downbeat posts I'm usually a glass half full man so the recent run is so wretched that IL must act because if he doesn't his investment in the club will be truely up the Swanee and I just can't see him letting this go on as it is.
The clear out we need are the lap top guys and the utterly useless fitness team for starters! Let the players play and throw the damn whiteboard tactics out with them at least then we might get a bit of excitement even if it means we are not good enough.

I have been watching a few Aussie games and must admit I love watching the Tigers even with their foibles. By the time our players have tried to milk a free at the play the ball the Tigers would have made 20 yards and have several options open with simple but great see back back up and an intent to break the opposition line. Thanks for your tip a few months ago on the Tigers they really are a breath of fresh air.

Yeah, those three are a pleasure to watch, aren't they? And after all, Brooks and Moses especially, as halves, are still learning their trade. Funnily enough, from I can gather, Tigers fans really slate their coach, but at least he hasn't coached all the natural skill out of his young players.

Watched Hull tonight and couldn't help thinking how good it would be to have Leon Pryce in our team! That really is his bad it has got!

Pryce runs direct and takes his team forward he runs at the line and takes players with him.

Obviously Pryce isn't the answer, but we are desperate for a genuine partnership that complement each other in the halves.

We have 2 traditional scrum halves who go East to West on a field. We need a North South half that drags this team forward.

Excellent choice of words and sort of sums up my attitude for the past couple of seasons.

Wane gambled last night, and he lost big time. The sooner he goes, the better.

I want Wane gone just as much as anyone and have done since 13, but sweeping statements like the one you've quoted are laughable.

It's the same BS people shouted at the end of Nobles time as head coach. Fans used to say that we needed a new team when in reality all it took was a new 7 and a proper coach.

I'm a firm believer that our current side has ample talent, but we've just not seen it due to Wane. You bring in a hungry Aus coach + Tommy it's 2010 again and we are top dogs.

We will have to agree to disagree.
We have poor players with poor abilities.
You can argue that's poor coaching but players with basic abilities don't need coaching.

I think it's more to do with the frustration over the quality of players we've been recruiting/retaining. If i remember correctly, I think Noble had a much better group of players to pick from (and I was never in the camp that thought we needed wholesale changes back then). I'm afraid I just don't think a lot of our lot are up to it.

How did he gamble?